Valentine’s Ghosting and Hobbies That Matter (WOOM 02/17/26)

Transcript

00:00:00 Darius: So I'm not the biggest fan of his music. Did you want to give the people a quick first listen review of the album?

00:00:08 Jordan: Nah, I'm from North Carolina and people are really happy about the tour and the album. And I don't want to **** on their parade.

00:00:15 Darius: Welcome to Out the Trunk with Jordan and Darius. My name is Darius. That's Dee's I Love You Area on all socials.

00:00:21 Jordan: And I'm Jordan. That's Jordan B. Writing on all socials.

00:00:24 Darius: So our segment where we let you guys know what's going on, what's on our mind, what went on during the week, what we've been thinking about. And I was going to do the bit about, you know, if you didn't hear from that person over Valentine's Day weekend, but that bit is stale because I did that over the snow weekend. So I pivoted to this question. What is a worse weekend to get ghosted on a snowed in weekend or Valentine's Day weekend?

00:00:54 Jordan: I'm going to say snowed in. Because like Valentine's Day, it's like if you just kind of met, it's a little tricky because you don't want to do too much, that sort of thing. You know, you don't want to ******* up by doing too much or if it's casual, then you know, whatever, jump out the window. So I'm going to say snowed in weekend because that just is like basic consideration. And also like, you know, what else are they doing? What else are they doing? There's nothing nowhere to go, nothing to do. I mean, excuses are removed.

00:01:26 Darius: I go the opposite way. One, they're both awful. You're, but I feel like even if you just started to, I guess we should have prefaced it with what stage, but let's just say somebody you've been talking to for a month, right?

00:01:41 Jordan: Yeah.

00:01:42 Darius: There's some plausible deniability with snow. It's none of it's good, but there's like a way you can wiggle yourself into an explanation. You don't hear from her on Valentine's Day weekend. She's busy. I mean, complete Brady, zero dark 30 silence is never rough.

00:02:09 Jordan: Fair. I just, I guess I feel like Valentine's Day is like the confirmation where like, you really talk to somebody and they're like, maybe you don't hear from them for a little while. And then they pop up and they're obviously clearly with someone on Valentine's Day. It's like, oh. Okay, that's the information you needed. You know what I mean? So I guess that's a little more, I'd take that over like nothing.

00:02:28 Darius: Okay, so let's do it like this. Three months, y'all been chatting, y'all have gone out, y'all have slept together. It's not an exclusive thing. You're just hanging out and she ghost you on Valentine's Day weekend or snow weekend, which is worse. They're both pretty bad.

00:02:53 Jordan: I mean, yeah, that's the thing. They're both really bad. It's like 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other. Like if y'all were chilling, like if y'all weren't serious, like I don't know that I would have made plans for Valentine's Day. I would have maybe like gotten them a little something. Nothing crazy. It's crazy.

00:03:11 Darius: You've been talking for three months and y'all don't buy nothing. You don't get her nothing for Valentine's Day. That's crazy. No one said you got to go rip pigeons in a horse and carriage, but you got to swing by with some candy and some flowers or something.

00:03:23 Jordan: No, yeah, of course, of course. I would, something, to let them know I thought of them. Yeah, three months.

00:03:30 Darius: Radio silence. Valentine's Day is Saturday from Thursday to Sunday, you ain't hear a word.

00:03:34 Jordan: Well, that's the thing, right? But okay, let's say in any other week, Valentine's Day is on a Tuesday, that's just one day. Whereas a snowed in weekend, that's three days that you didn't hear from them. So it's like, I don't know.

00:03:47 Darius: Well, you hear that lady sees an easy marks. He will believe whatever you tell him.

00:03:55 Jordan: Oh, no, it's not even that. I don't believe anything. Just don't take it personally. Like, I don't. I'm like, all right, whatever. Like, you know, I've been told I can be a bit aloof. So I don't know.

00:04:09 Darius: I'm still going with Valentine's Day.

00:04:12 Jordan: I'd go snowed in. I'm gonna go. I'd go snowed in still.

00:04:15 Darius: Okay. All right. I just think Snowed in leaves you some plausible deniability. Family issues.

00:04:26 Jordan: Yeah, that's fair.

00:04:27 Darius: Whatever. Valentine's Day, especially because it was like, it's just there's just no reason other than the bad reason, you know, like it's just.

00:04:38 Jordan: Yeah, correct.

00:04:42 Darius: The person she actually liked responded to her for once.

00:04:44 Jordan: Yeah, the person that she actually likes, yeah.

00:04:48 Darius: So I guess that's a good segue into my first question, first topic. Should men expect Valentine's Day gifts? If you get one, you accept it, but should they expect one?

00:04:58 Jordan: Right, I think if you're in a relationship, you should expect some sort of gesture of care. So in that sense, yes. But I'm not saying I wouldn't be like, just anything to let them know that they thought about you on that day. You know what I mean? Not just like, I mean, I'm not saying like, oh, I need flowers on the bed and ****. You know what I mean? But in relationships, I definitely wasn't like, oh my God, they got me something. I was like, yeah, it's Valentine's Day. I would assume that a decent person would do something for the person they say they love. So I wouldn't be like, Oh my God, no. But now go ahead.

00:05:40 Darius: Okay. What would you consider like insulting? Like what? Like if she got you a pack of Nike socks, is that adequate?

00:05:53 Jordan: I do be needing socks.

00:05:56 Darius: I never run out of a need for socks.

00:05:59 Jordan: Yeah, I work out, you know, I'm saying whatever. I do a lot of ****. I do need I do be needing socks. So I actually would appreciate that.

00:06:07 Darius: Okay, so we're on the same page in the sense that I don't expect a gift, but that's fine.

00:06:15 Jordan: Right, like I think one year, like a girlfriend at the time got me like, it was right for like the Joker movie that came out. That was like my favorite movie of that year. So she got me like the Joker on Blu-ray and then like candy, like enough **** basically **** so we could have like a movie night and watch the movie. Like, so like that, yeah, I love movies obviously. So that like meant a lot to me, you know? And it wasn't something super extravagant or, it wasn't a ******* balloon with my name on it or whatever, that meant as much to me as, whatever. So it's all about, what does your partner like? The first one, not the second one.

00:06:51 Darius: Okay.

00:06:51 Jordan: All right. I love the first one. I thought it was a dope. I thought it was great storytelling. I love like the slow burn, the buildup, the descent into madness. You know what I mean? I thought that was I thought it was awesome. His performance, I think the performance was probably better than the movie itself, but I enjoyed it.

00:07:10 Darius: Anytime there's Ozzy Beats, it's a good time. So I'm gonna like that movie. So what you got, man? You want to talk about what's going on to the new year?

00:07:20 Jordan: Yeah, I was just, I found this. this band last year that I really like. And then I saw like you're on TikTok, you have the algorithm. It adjusts very quickly to what you like. And I saw this girl who was doing like these really dope covers of songs and it made me like want to like carve out more time to get back into like playing the guitar. So I was like, I think I might pick that back up again. So it got me thinking, are there any new hobbies or skills that you might want to look into or start trying this year?

00:07:48 Darius: Well, I'm quickly becoming a better video editor. So that and Google Gemini is teaching me how to code. So that's nice. I am going to start my own sub stack here soon. And so I have a couple of topics that are a bit too long for a tweet and I want to write about them and that's the place I can do it. And so yeah, that's kind of on my to do list. I got a couple, keep a Google note where I just kind of scratch write things out there. And that's, that'll be, that's, that's my answer to your question. I'm gonna get into writing, trying to get off of Twitter and take my musings to some place that's mine, even though I don't own Substack. But you get what I mean. So.

00:08:35 Jordan: No, I get you. I think that's actually super important. That's something I've been thinking about myself. Not so much Substack, but just like writing my thoughts out more often about things. You know, they say that you write the way you speak and I want to get better at particulating my thoughts in a long-form expression. So I think I might just start jotting down thoughts or writing maybe not articles myths per se, but pieces about things so I can kind of get back in the habit of thinking on the fly and it's a great way to learn how to support your rhetoric and to get your ideas out there. So I think that's a good idea, man. You have a great perspective and you're pretty good at articulating yourself. So I think that's a good Something you'll pick up pretty well.

00:09:20 Darius: Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Just trying to get off the phone. And I like, I like Twitter because it lets me think out loud and I want to still do that while getting off my phone. So that'll be my 2026 project. You got anything else?

00:09:41 Jordan: I mean, some of my hobbies are more so based on the weather. Like I love doing anything outdoor ****. So like when it gets warmer, I'll get back into like walking trails and stuff like that. I've always kind of wanted to try hiking. I don't really know where there is spots are in North Carolina to do that or like at least in Raleigh, I guess. But I'll have some friends who do it and they love it. I've always wanted to learn how to play the piano. So I've been thinking about just getting a cheap little like starter keyboard and just kind of going on YouTube or getting some app or something like that and kind of figuring it out from there. Yeah, anything creative, I always love doing. I mean, I would love to paint, but there's just, it just takes so much space. And it's like, I don't have like a studio to just like have all the things, you know. But that was something I did do for a little while during the pandemic. But I do focus, I do love it. It's just that. Why does it take up so much space? you got to have the easel and you got to have the frames and all that, not frames, the canvases and all that kind of stuff. And for me, at least I like to have spaces like where I do things. I don't want to like create near where I work because then it's not really a creative space. You know what I mean? I was thinking about maybe, ideally I would like have some sort of studio space set up in the garage, but it's just too cold right now. So maybe in the spring or summer, I'll figure that out.

00:11:04 Darius: That was kind of a dumb question because you have to put the paintings when they're done somewhere and it becomes a book collection. They have to go somewhere. They don't just disappear. And the one you're working on isn't the only one that exists. So yeah, it does make sense.

00:11:19 Jordan: That's the thing. Cause like that is the one convenient thing about writing. Cause I write in my phone so I can write anywhere. And so I just have thousands and thousands or hundreds of notes in my phone and ****. Whereas if I had to have a journal, Where would I have all these journals, man? You know what I mean?

00:11:36 Darius: Yeah, I, yeah, I like the Google Note, but I'll always have a scratch pad because I just think it's just easier for me to accept mistakes when I'm writing on a piece of paper. When I'm typing, I'm chasing perfection in a way that kind of stifles creativity. So got you. I just like, writing on, the rough draft is always on a piece of paper. But like you say, you keep the Google Note and, it's all integrated. I think you have Apple, but you know what I mean. Same difference. And, it goes, I can pull up the notes from my desktop to my phone and it's all integrated. So. Sometimes you get inspiration in between set to the gym and you don't want to lose it. So it's nice to have that digital option to just jot it down right then and there. So that's true.

00:12:25 Jordan: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's the main reason why I do it. So I'm not like out and I don't have a napkin or something to scribble thoughts on, you know? That's a good idea. One thing I think you should try, have you heard of what's called like a write and burn?

00:12:41 Darius: No, what is that?

00:12:45 Jordan: So it's basically, it's almost like a seven minute drill exercise where you just, you write and you just keep going, write whatever you topic you have in mind. If you can't, if you're stuck, just say like, damn, I'm stuck and keep writing it until you'll find whatever it is you're thinking, whatever topic you want to continue to write about. And then like the theory is you just write it and you like burn it, literally set it on fire. Don't actually do that though, but it's just a, it's like kind of a way to erase the perfectionism in your head. You know, it's almost like, Like they say, for example, when people have ADHD, the best way to get them to have a task is to give them a deadline. So you almost have to create it like, okay, if I don't write for X amount of minutes, I'm going to die. Like mentally in your head, you have that and you just write, write, write. So you're not thinking about, how perfect is this? Does this look like something that would be published? Does it seem like the greatest thing that's ever been written? Because a lot of writers think like that. And that way you'll kind of get out of your own head in terms of editing while you write.

00:13:44 Darius: I'm gonna do it. I can do that. A little riding exercise, stretch the muscles out. I also want to get back into logic games. You know, Wordle and Sudoku puzzles and crossword puzzles. I kind of try to, you know, just build healthier hobbits, habits other than just scrolling Instagram and Snapchat and just trying to, downtime is downtime, but it doesn't mean it just has to be all slop, So, just try to, I just bought a new Sudoku puzzle book. I keep in my work backpack. And so when I'm bored at the office, I can just do that instead of doom scrolling. So just little, little things like that to try to keep the tools sharp. So, okay, hypothetical. Question for you. One free ticket, front row, one night. You have to pick, they're both playing so you can't, you know, gotta pick one. Lil Wayne concert or Rick Ross concert?

00:14:46 Jordan: And this is in the year of our Lord 2026.

00:14:48 Darius: This is, nah, we'll do this at their peaks.

00:14:53 Jordan: At their peaks, okay. Yeah, the peak I'm going Wayne, no question.

00:14:58 Darius: Yeah, I kind of gave. I mean, it's kind of ruined it by saying their peaks because I'm close.

00:15:02 Jordan: Yeah, the peaks is like, yeah.

00:15:04 Darius: I saw a little way in 2009. And I mean, that was probably his absolute peak.

00:15:10 Jordan: Yeah, literally. Yeah.

00:15:11 Darius: It's yeah. Okay. So just today, this weekend, you get one free ticket.

00:15:18 Jordan: I think I'd rather go see my neighbor like mow his front lawn or something.

00:15:24 Darius: I'm thinking Rose, man. I think I'm going Ross.

00:15:26 Jordan: I'm going Ross.

00:15:28 Darius: I mean, you can listen to his latest music. It's clear he has no passion for rap anymore. He's too rich. At all. I just, I mean, I've seen Lil Wayne in concert as absolute apex. That's just a different ballgame. In fact, Drake and Nicky were like special guests on the set, which is wild to think about. Yeah. They weren't even, they didn't even have a set. They were just like, my friend is here, it's Drake. He does the best I ever had and then he does 2 songs and he leaves and like he was just like basically a ******* rugby. Right. Nikki was there, too. It was Young Jeezy Open Forum. Nice. Jim Jones and T-Pain were the openers. And so it was dope. It was a great ticket. Target Center, Minneapolis, 2009.

00:16:13 Jordan: That's funny. The first concert I ever went to was fall of 2010 is my freshman year G-Ho concert, A&T Aggie Pride. And it was it was Drake Cole, Rick Ross, Christine Michelle. And I think like Kelly swag district open that was the year they dropped teach me how to Dougie.

00:16:37 Darius: Still learning still learning the Dougie we'll get there.

00:16:41 Jordan: Yeah, that's the one dance I didn't have not like from our like, young adulthood that I did not perfect.

00:16:47 Darius: I didn't know any of them. I've said before on the pod. The worst part about COVID for me was that The tootsie slide was came out. There's the one ******* dance I could do. And it came out when we were inside. But no, I would. It's kind of a dead. Yeah. I mean, in his peak, Lil Wayne and Rick Ross today.

00:17:03 Jordan: Yeah.

00:17:06 Darius: Rick Ross puts on a good show, too, but Lil Wayne now is just so watched. Just so.

00:17:12 Jordan: It's yeah. It's like I came on the Raptors.

00:17:19 Darius: Patrick Huey called the Orlando Magic.

00:17:22 Jordan: Magic.

00:17:22 Darius: Just ******* out, just sweating. Just can't move. It's like, dude.

00:17:29 Jordan: It's like Chris Paul and the Clippers for the second time. Yeah, man.

00:17:34 Darius: Will people please stop acting like we're supposed to build a shrine at the altar of CV3? He's like, I can't believe he went out like this. And it's like, I mean, I'm sure it doesn't feel good, but can we stop? Come on.

00:17:46 Jordan: Yeah, I mean, you do. He was supposed to have a fair Like he did deserve that for all he's given done for the game. Kendrick Perkins made a great point though. He was like, I mean, he didn't say the word. He basically was like, are we going to talk about how Chris Paul's a notorious *******? We got to talk about that. So.

00:18:01 Darius: Well, okay, so you played on seven teams. Who was going to give this to a point?

00:18:04 Jordan: You can be an ******* if you're that great. Well, that's the problem. It can only be the Clippers or the Hornets slash Thunder. Because he played in OKC. when during the Katrina, when he was with the Hornets at the time, New Orleans Hornets at the time. But he has bounced around a lot. He was the Clippers. If it wasn't the Clippers, it wasn't going to be anybody.

00:18:28 Darius: Can have both ways. If you want, you know, to bounce around from team to team and never set up roots and da da da da. Well, none of these teams owe you anything. Yeah, you know, you know, it's like anyways, concert tickets in general. Are they too expensive?

00:18:50 Jordan: I'd say, yeah. I mean, there's the ticket. There's the fee for the ticket. There's the insurance for the ticket. Then you got to get there and find parking. That's probably 50 bucks. You know, you got to buy merch. That's 100 bucks. 5200 bucks. Yeah, I'd say it's too much. I mean, there was a time where like, 40 bucks was like, what? For a concert. I mean, inflation, I understand, but like some people's tickets, it's like, that's actually insane. Like, why do they charge that much for a ticket?

00:19:28 Darius: Well, I mean, so a couple of dynamics at play. People say that concerts used to be cheaper. And it's like, yes, but Americans in general have gotten a lot richer, but stadiums are the same size as they were 30 years ago. And so- That's true. Supply and demand, dynamics are just gonna be, and people just have a lot more discretionary income. And I've always said, concerts by definition can't be too expensive because they are 100% unnecessary. So if they were truly too expensive, people wouldn't go. touché. So it's like, You can't say this artist is charging too much for tickets if people are buying them because people could just not go. Everyone in the stadium could find cheaper entertainment that night. So if people, I just don't, I don't know what, I get a lot of these millennials, I'm gonna use a royal you, conflate.

00:20:29 Jordan: Yeah.

00:20:30 Darius: I can't afford this with it's too expensive.

00:20:32 Jordan: Right.

00:20:32 Darius: Those are not the same thing. And No one needs to go to a concert. So I just, you know, sometimes like I was, I wanted to go see, I forget who, actually I don't forget who I just can't say someone last year and I was just like, not paying that for that person. And the concert sold out.

00:20:52 Jordan: Is this the concert we talked about going to last year?

00:20:54 Darius: No, a different one. Okay, And the concert sold out. So I'm like, it was too much for me, but it wasn't too much. So. Right. I don't know. I get being frustrated that then some of these tickets are insane, but I look at the crowd shots and people are out there paying it and having a good time.

00:21:14 Jordan: Yeah, you don't really see a lot of empty seats in most of these concerts.

00:21:19 Darius: I don't know what people I just don't know if it's something just suck and it's not actually a problem to solve, but J. Cole is touring and not even hitting Raleigh. Is there something behind that I'm confused about? I don't get it. Isn't he from here?

00:21:36 Jordan: No. Well, Fayetteville. So he's going to Charlotte, though. Charlotte and Fayetteville. So yeah, I don't know why he didn't come to Raleigh. I mean, well, I guess, I mean, He gave us four festivals, 5 festivals. So, but no, you're right. He never really comes to Raleigh. He, like, I've seen him in Greensboro. The only time I've seen him in Raleigh was for Dreamville Fest. So a lot of artists don't come to Raleigh. It's really big artists don't come to Raleigh. It's really weird.

00:22:04 Darius: Yeah, well, I mean, I get it. If you do Charlotte, you can just kind of two birds, one stone. Anyone who wants to see you would just drive down. Chris Brown did Raleigh and then we looked it up on air and it was because the Panthers are at the stadium. And so I'm pretty sure there wasn't. Charlotte is a bigger city. They have bigger, they have more infrastructure, more facilities. And anyone in Raleigh who really wants to see you would just drive down to three hours. So I get it. It's not because the places they play are walking distance from my apartment. But I get my logistics, especially if you're going to do DC and Atlanta. Charlotte is the better pit stop in between the two. And so correct. Yeah.

00:22:51 Jordan: So yeah, yes, presale started today. I think everybody's saying it's already like looking like it's going to be crazy packed, which is funny because I don't think this is his last concert or his last album at all. But he's not even 40 years old.

00:23:07 Darius: Of course it's not done. Right. What else is he going to do? I get that. Right.

00:23:14 Jordan: Like, what else is he going to do? I don't know.

00:23:15 Darius: He doesn't seem to have much interest in anything else. And it's, you know, he could, he could, all the music he's already made, he could tour that as a legacy act for the next 30 years. And he may not do stadiums or festivals, but he could tour theaters, that music for the rest of his life. Keith Sweat still performing Nobody 45 years later. Right.

00:23:37 Jordan: And I can't name five of the songs by him.

00:23:41 Darius: You know, like them hits, once you got a catalog of hits, you could tour as a legacy act in theaters.

00:23:46 Jordan: Yeah.

00:23:47 Darius: And opening, like you maybe not do arenas anymore, but you could do theaters and sell 5,000 tickets for the rest of your life. You know, so he's never gonna do that.

00:23:55 Jordan: Right. I also have, correct. I also find it hard to believe that someone who's basically recently independent is just gonna stop making music. Now you can finally get paid off what you're making. There's no way he's actually done making music. Absolutely not. But yeah.

00:24:08 Darius: And you know, so I'm not the biggest fan of his music. Did you want to give the people a quick first list and review of the album?

00:24:17 Jordan: Nah, I'm from North Carolina and people are really happy about the tour and the album. And I don't want to **** on their parade. I'll just say it's two discs. He went one for two, 50% from the field. If he was playing basketball, we'd call that efficient. The first disc was good. Second disc. Remember that snippet from Carisha?

00:24:41 Darius: Oh God, 2 fingers touching.

00:24:44 Jordan: It can't be that bad.

00:24:44 Darius: It can't be that bad.

00:24:45 Jordan: It's yo, dog. Bro, I was like, yo, what is it? This is not, I literally was like, no, this is not the right album. This is not even a rap. What is happening in my ears right now? That's the little part of honesty I will say about that second disc. But yeah, no, that **** was it was not for me. This one is cool. There's a few strikes on there I did add to the gym playlist. He can still rap his *** off. But yeah, no, I that second that second disc was not great. And I also just feel like he just didn't have much to say on the album. Honestly, like I just feel like he was running out of **** to say to be honest with you. It just felt like it was like I'm from Fayetteville. I love being from Fayetteville. I come home and see my people. I'm really good at rapping. be hating because I'm from Fayetteville and I made it out the end. That was that was my that was that was it.

00:25:38 Darius: I haven't gotten around and I love my wife. I have not gotten around to it. So I will get come back maybe in the next week or two with honest opinion of Jermaine Cole's album. But I have not heard that works.

00:25:52 Jordan: Yeah, because I got to I got to do the full How long is it?

00:25:58 Darius: It's 2 discs. Is it an hour and a half?

00:26:00 Jordan: Yes, it's like an hour 40 minutes. Let me go to it. Yeah, bro. Yeah, an hour 41 minutes. It's a long time to list to someone who's just it's interesting because I was thinking about that. It's like Drake. I don't think Drake has the depth that Cole has. But he still is always interesting to listen to. It has something interesting to say for the most part, even though he has not grown very much as a person in the last few years, I feel like. And people say like Kendrick, like, okay, the second disc, it almost run me a lot of Miss Morale and Big Steppers. I know people didn't like that album, but it was a lot of interesting content on the album. And I just didn't feel get that in this project. Like it was it was very it was very odd. It was like if you took that album And just, and stripped away the introspection, like the true interest, like the level of depth he went into himself. And then it's like, what are you left with? You know.

00:27:07 Darius: Well, I will say Drake does have in-depth music. It stopped after, if you're reading this, it's too late, but that's when he went full pop. But what I will say is that J. Cole's marketing tactics, where he's, you know, actually pushing the album, doing promo, linking with fans, I think that's pretty cool.

00:27:22 Jordan: Excellent marketing. Yeah, the driving around with the accord, letting fans get in and listen to it. That's definitely super dope. I love Cole's person. He seems like a really, really good human being. Like, you know, this is not, you know, I'm a fan. Like real ****. I really am a fan. You know, I just, the second ditch just wasn't for me. But he's given me enough great music to get me through my life for, you know, that I'll, you know, forever be grateful for, you know.

00:27:49 Darius: I wish everybody all the best. So you want to talk about some TV shows? What you got?

00:27:57 Jordan: Yeah, so I've been watching, rewatching some random episodes of shows I love. And it got me thinking, people always talk about like, what's the greatest show ever? And we never talk about is the ending a factor in the show? Like does the all-time great show have to have a great or perfect ending to still be considered an all-time great show? Because I feel like a lot of the shows we love Most of them botched the endings. And then some shows that weren't as good had great endings. And it's like, OK, well, which which one matters more?

00:28:29 Darius: I actually think that having a great ending is very overrated. Obviously, it's you want one. You know, you don't want a bad ending on purpose, but right. No, I mean, I don't think it it doesn't ruin the journey for me. I think I didn't like Mad Men's ending. I didn't like I didn't really like Breaking Bad's ending, to be honest with you. I didn't like the wires ending. I didn't like I mean, Game of Thrones is the famous one, but I didn't like lost ending. A lot of great shows don't have great endings because you've spun this web that's, you know, it's just hard to do. And I don't think that when I rewatch them, it doesn't take it away from me. Now, rewatching does make notable the drop in quality as the shows go on. I think a lot of shows should end earlier than they did, but it's easier said than done, man. Everybody's, it's hard to have a hit show. It's hard to have a good show. It's hard to get a show. It's hard to have a good show. It's even harder to have a hit show. And then to, while it's still popping, end it, that's a lot to ask of people. So I get why shows stay on one season too long when, because it's just like, the guy who played Don Draper, I forget his name.

00:29:55 Jordan: Jon Hamm.

00:29:56 Darius: Jon Hamm. He'll never have anything like that again. Nothing. And so did that show run a season too long? Yeah, maybe two. But like.

00:30:06 Jordan: Why would you **** that up?

00:30:07 Darius: Why would you stop? You know how hard it is to do this?

00:30:09 Jordan: You usually get paid, bro.

00:30:11 Darius: Yeah, you know how hard it is to get a show on TV, let alone a good one, let alone a critically acclaimed one. And so I like it when they do, but like Station 11 was a show that got out when it was time. I think The Last of Us is gonna get out when it's time. But it's hard to ask. It's hard. It's hard. It's, I'm much, if it were, if I were in their shoes, I'd stay on too long before leaving early, you know? So.

00:30:36 Jordan: What do you think? I think I'm kind of along the same lines as you. Like, I think I separate the show from the ending. I mean, it does play a little bit of a factor, but I feel like if the ending was more obvious and they ****** it up, then I'd be a little more ******. Like, How I Met Your Mother, have you watched that show?

00:30:59 Darius: I have not.

00:31:00 Jordan: That's one of my favorite shows of all time. And they botched that ending. Like the ending literally ruined the tenor of the entire show. So in that sense, it really was, it bastardized the experience of the journey itself. Although the show is about the journey, so I will give the writers credit for that. And dating did age a little better. As you get older, you're kind of like, oh, well, life is tricky and messy, you know, that sort of thing. Like I feel like, you know, the office is one of the greatest shows ever. Office had a great ending, considering the best character on the show left, you know, a season and a half prior to the show ending. I think Friends had a great ending. I'm trying to think. Like, I mean, you listed all the famous bad ones.

00:31:43 Darius: Good ones. Six Feet.

00:31:44 Jordan: I mean, even like the sitcoms we. Did you say it again?

00:31:49 Darius: Did you watch Six Feet Under?

00:31:52 Jordan: No, not.

00:31:54 Darius: It's a 20 year old show on HBO. Spectacular. I mean, just the shield had a wonderful ending. I love the Sopranos ending.

00:32:06 Jordan: Yeah.

00:32:06 Darius: But what were you going to say about 90 shows?

00:32:12 Jordan: Yeah, because even the 90 shows we did love, you know, they didn't necessarily like I think Living Single had a good ending. Fresh Prince had a pretty good ending. A lot of people didn't really like the Martin ending, although that was more the friction between, him and I'm blanking, Tisha Campbell. Yeah, so it does get tricky. And also I think the thing is too, like when you start a show, you don't know how long it's going to last. You don't know if it's going to be a hit or not. So you can't really begin with the end in mind because you don't know if you're going to get a beginning because so many shows make pilots and they don't make it to like to the full season or to a second season, let alone, you know, an 8, 6, 7,