Take Yes for an Answer (WOOM 04/28/26)

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[00:00:00]Darius: I think they said that kids started checking out more books from the library. this is an anecdotal. Like literally they had, you can track the books that get checked out. And it was like 24% more books were checked out over the past year because kids finished their work early and didn't have a phone to scroll through. And so what do you do?

[00:00:16]Jordan: Go to the library. Yeah.

[00:00:17]Darius: Somebody crotweeted that with, well, they're still not being social. Their heads are in their books. Like instead of their head being in the phone, it's in a book. And I'm like, you don't want nothing. Like the kids are reading more and you found a problem with that. That's crazy.

[00:00:30]Jordan: First of all, that's what that's what book clubs are for.

[00:00:33]Darius: One. Welcome to Out Trump with Jordan and Darius. My name is Darius. That's D's all up in the area on all socials.

[00:00:39]Jordan: And I'm Jordan this Jordan to be writing on all socials.

[00:00:43]Darius: Is there a segment we call What's On Our Mind where we let you guys know, well, what's on our mind? What's on our mind? Not the most creative name. In fact, if you have a better name, let us know. We might adopt it.

[00:00:58]Jordan: Yes, we are open to suggestions.

[00:01:00]Darius: Yeah, it's something we've been workshopping for a while and just haven't gotten around to it. So I found out, so when I was a kid, you know how PlayStation 2 had like physical memory cards?

[00:01:12]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:01:12]Darius: The 8 megabytes. And how NCAA didn't have the rosters. Like you had player number quarterback. You knew who it was.

[00:01:21]Jordan: Right, You knew it was the names.

[00:01:23]Darius: NIL and stuff. And they were technically amateurs. And so what I did was like I found a forum of people that played offline franchise modes. And a guy had the rosters all named. And he was doing things where you would mail him a memory card physically with $20 and he would copy the rosters to it and mail it back to you. That was not a universal experience. Everybody didn't do that.

[00:01:50]Jordan: No, that's not. No, I honestly, I would always like forget to just like ask for memory cards. So I would just like wing it every time. So yeah, no, I didn't do that.

[00:02:02]Darius: I thought every kid played offline franchise mode and emailed their internet friends memory cards to have an e-mail.

[00:02:10]Jordan: No, I didn't have an e-mail address until I was like 15, so no. Oh, well, yeah. Well, I wasn't mailing **** either. First of all, that seems unsafe. It seems like a...

[00:02:21]Darius: This is pre.

[00:02:22]Jordan: You could have got got.

[00:02:23]Darius: Well, true. But you know, I have literally lifelong internet friendships based off of talking about offline franchise modes. And there was one guy on the apparently this is unusual. One guy on the forum. He went through the tedious job of naming every player on the entire NCAA roster. Yeah, that's insane. I'm sure he ran up a bag though, because a lot of us would buy a memory card blank, put it in an envelope with $20 and ship it to him. And he would send it back to us. And I mean, **** he ran it up a band probably just off the top of my head with people that, not Robin, that was a service manually. No, man, he provided a service and I was glad to pay for it because then I got like the names and then when I imported them into Madden. I had Adrian Peterson on the Vikings before he was ever a Viking because I had an NCAA and I mapped him over and I was like, that's okay. That was not universal.

[00:03:25]Jordan: All right. Yeah, no, I was not. That's news to me. No.

[00:03:30]Darius: You know, you learn something new every day. Moving along, you saw the MJ movie, early reviews.

[00:03:37]Jordan: Yeah, I saw it Friday, like right after work. I really enjoyed it. was a lot of fun. It literally felt like a concert. Like it was impossible to sit still. Luckily I didn't have one of the theaters where everyone was like up dancing because that would have been kind of annoying. I think that was annoying. It was super annoying. I would have bought another ticket. I would have left bought another ticket for a later show even if I had a ******** seat. I love, I thought it was fantastic. First of all, his nephew Jafar who played him was incredible. That's his first acting role. And hopefully it's the first of many more because he was incredible. Like I legit forgot that wasn't Michael on the screen. Like the voice, the face, the mannerisms. It looks like side by side, like shot by shot, like type ****. He was incredible. Shout out to Anquan Fuqua who directed it. Of course, he directed Training Day. So he's amazing. I wish it was longer. They're going to do a part 2 or at least a part 2. I think I heard rumors about a third one, but I don't know. So I do wish there was more about his like off stage life, if you will. I mean, there was stuff in there, but it was only two hour movie and it covered damn near 20 years. So there's a lot they had to skip over. Also for legal reasons, people asked to have their scenes cut, from the movie. So that I think that's part of why the some of the plot felt a little bit watered down, but I thought it was great. The movie really focused on like his relationship with, what was his name? Bill Bray was his like personal security guy who basically was Michael's father, to be honest, in terms of just like an emotional standpoint. So I thought they did a great job of showcasing that relationship. I learned a lot about that. Honestly, like it was a fun story, but it was like really sad. Like he spent a lot of time by himself. Like he would like, it seemed like he at least that early part of his life, he didn't have like a lot of friends because he was traveling and He's a child prodigy. So that alone is just isolating, and makes it hard to relate to other kids. And also just that level of fame. I assume people expect you to be different. So there's that like invisible barrier there. Like he spent a lot of time just like chilling, watching movies with his mom. Like his mom was basically his best friend.

[00:05:45]Darius: I saw someone say, like, y'all don't understand his celebrity. He couldn't like sit courtside an NBA game because fans would act crazy and shut it down. He could not go to public things because it would always end in pandemonium.

[00:06:02]Jordan: Yes. So that's crazy. Yeah. Like there's a video, there's a scene in the movie where he's like at a toy store just buying like fun ****. And like one kid comes up to him and his mom's like, oh, can you sign an autograph for my kid? His name's Paula. You know, obviously for the mom. And then he, you look up, there's five kids and you look up, there's 50 kids, you look up, there's 100 kids in the store and he's just signing everything for everybody, whatever. So like, I can't imagine just like not being able to go somewhere. Like thank God for drive-through because he wouldn't be able to eat, you know. I saw a video the other day of him, like where he actually had to rent out a grocery store and like hire people to pretend to be customers so he could feel normal. Like that's insane. Like that level of fame is just not healthy or good for any human being. Yes, literally. They show that too, the level of fame, and also just the, we talk about the Pepsi incident with him getting burned, but that had lifelong effects, on him, the medication and just trying to keep the pain at bay. he had to wear obviously prosthetic wigs and stuff like that to cover the top of his skull. And I saw a video where he was, someone was doing his hair and he was like damn near in tears because of the pain. And he noticed there was a camera on him and he just stopped because he was just so used to basically performing. So they did a great job of showing that, showcasing the progression of his vitiligo. He didn't wear the gloves for fashion. He was trying to cover up the discoloration. So they did a great job of showing that because there was that whole rap of him not being, wanting to be black and all that stuff. They did a great job of showcasing that was never really the case. Do people know that?

[00:07:41]Darius: It's basically impossible to bleach yourself white? Right.

[00:07:46]Jordan: Like we use bleach every day. Who among us has turned white from that?

[00:07:51]Darius: Like come on man. You thought he bleached his whole body white. Does that make sense to you?

[00:07:57]Jordan: Like I've cleaned the bathtub a few times in my day and still black guys.

[00:08:03]Darius: People just be saying stuff, man. Like that doesn't even make sense.

[00:08:06]Jordan: They really just ran with that **** man. And they had him looking like a whole, trying to make him look like a whole sellout for no reason.

[00:08:13]Darius: That was one of those things. It was like, man, people believed it too. Like that was.

[00:08:17]Jordan: Yeah, people really did. Like they were like, he didn't want to be like us.

[00:08:21]Darius: If I may defend people back then, it's hard to explain that like pre-internet, it was just harder to know things. And you couldn't just Google, is this Google? Can you actually just read yourself? Yeah, So word of mouth has a way of traveling and you hear things and you can't fact check it the same. But through 2026, Liz, it's an absurd. I mean.

[00:08:42]Jordan: Yeah, it's pretty hard to spread disinformation in this day and age, even though it obviously does happen. Yes, they did a great job of showcasing that, which I really loved. What else? Honestly, he like subtly said it in the movie, but I kind of think he got Bubbles as like some sort of way to protect him from his father. So he got, he rescued Bubbles from the chimp, for those who don't know. He rescued Bubbles from like an animal testing facility. And when he got bubbles, he was like, they were like, are you surely that's a wild animal? Like, Mike, I don't think this is a good idea. And he's like, oh, no, it's cool. Like he's safe. He's great. He's like, but you know, chimps do not respond more to threats. So they either like you or they feel afraid of you. You know, I looked at his dad. His dad's like walked in the house. So I don't know if that was part of the rationale behind getting bubbles or not, but I thought that was, they did a great job. It was like cute to see their relationship. Also, Bubbles is still alive, which is pretty dope. He's actually. Yeah, shout out Bubbles. He's 43, apparently. He's in some sort of wildlife facility somewhere. I saw that Jafar, who played Michael, went and hung out with him recently. And you can see Bubbles looking at him almost like you look familiar, which is pretty cool.

[00:09:56]Darius: Mine have been here 15 years, man. Bubbles don't remember him.

[00:09:59]Jordan: Well, that's fair, but he lived with him for a minute. He was part of his formative years. I don't know. They do have very similar energies, I'll say, just from what I've seen in interviews and ****. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to the second part. Got to wait till 2028. Yeah, man, props to everyone involved. Obviously, I would have loved to see just more like behind the scenes type stuff, but it was his family doing it. So they're not going to be like, oh yeah, so this sibling was ended to him. You know what I'm saying? Like what we kind of speculate on?

[00:10:28]Darius: One should always be skeptical of any sort of biopic biography where the subject has creative control. In this case, the subject is the estate. But I mean, I never expected this to be like some investigative dive into his life. This is the Queen movie. It's a sing-along, you know.

[00:10:46]Jordan: Right, exactly.

[00:10:47]Darius: And, you know, either that's for you or it isn't, you know?

[00:10:51]Jordan: Correct.

[00:10:52]Darius: So if you want to go to the movie and have a good time, you know, it's for people who want to feel like what it would have been like when Thriller dropped, you know?

[00:11:00]Jordan: Yes, exactly.

[00:11:03]Darius: Clearly it's running it up. It's up like 100 million in opening weekends.

[00:11:06]Jordan: So yeah, just domestic.

[00:11:08]Darius: Yeah, the movies are back, baby. You know, you tell, well, this isn't really an original story, but you tell good stories with people and not costumes and cartoons and people will go see movies. It's not bad. You want to prompt a question about some songs.

[00:11:30]Jordan: Yes, so there was a trending interview or clip that went viral of one of the franchise boys talking about the song, Lean With It, Rock With It, and a staple of our childhood or middle school days. And he was like, Yeah, no, that's actually not a dance at all. People just like made it a dance. It's literally just about winging and rocks, cracking codeine. And my mind was blown. So it got me thinking about like all the songs we like as kids we listen to or maybe that we heard when we were like before we really knew about life in the world and realizing what those songs actually were about. So like for example, Umbrella by Rihanna. It's all about sex. I don't know how we missed that. But yeah.

[00:12:14]Darius: Well, so all of the examples I have are pretty much about sex too. Little Red Corvette, Too close, Genie in a Bottle. Well, so believe it or not, kids, artists used to use innuendos and actually have vocabularies. And it helped them.

[00:12:31]Jordan: We miss it.

[00:12:32]Darius: Yeah. Well, honestly, it helped It helps your popularity and you extend your reach if parents can play it around the kids and it's an inside joke. But when you just talk about sucking and ******* there's no. You just, you've severely limited your audience. I was grown before I knew Mystical Shake It Fast or Shake *** the original one.

[00:12:58]Jordan: Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

[00:13:00]Darius: Little John's, I like them girls for long. I didn't know it was I like them hoes till, you know.

[00:13:05]Jordan: Oh, yeah, edited. Bring back edited versions of songs.

[00:13:08]Darius: And you know, it benefits the artist if the parent can play it around their children. Correct.

[00:13:15]Jordan: Exactly. They can grow up listening to your music.

[00:13:17]Darius: At least with the radio hits. Like if you want to, your album's your album, but you're single. Right. You should have a clean version, you know.

[00:13:23]Jordan: Correct.

[00:13:24]Darius: Yes, I get people at award shows performing songs and half of it's bleeped out. And it's like, yeah, you can't.

[00:13:31]Jordan: Like when Glorilla did FNF at like one of the conventions or something, she just had to like.

[00:13:38]Darius: It's like you're just stepping on your own feet, you know? It's, you know, so. It's not harming your artistic integrity. You just you're running.

[00:13:47]Jordan: Actually makes you a better artist. Correct.

[00:13:49]Darius: And it might you might learn something. So what were you gonna say?

[00:13:52]Jordan: It was gonna say, yeah, like one of my favorite songs off the College Dropout, Breathe In, Breathe Out. I just thought that song was about cardio for like the longest time. So I was like, wait a minute.

[00:14:03]Darius: Yeah, a little red Corvette. I thought it was about a car.

[00:14:06]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:14:08]Darius: You know, baby, you're much too fast. Thought that was about a vehicle. Yeah. so that's kind of, it's two things why I don't think it happens anymore. I don't think these artists have the range. And I also just don't think kids share the culture space. Well, they just don't share the cultural space with their parents anymore.

[00:14:30]Jordan: True.

[00:14:30]Darius: So when everyone has their own headsets, you're only like, it's actually I know it sounds counterintuitive, but it's actually not good when everyone's content is age siloed. Like everything you consume is age appropriate. It's I know, you know, within reason, it's, you know, it's good to branch out and consume some of the stuff your parents listen to. Like part of being a kid was, you know, let your dad watching, letting you watch a movie that was a little too violent. You know, that probably wasn't, you know, but like, it's, It was good. It was good for culture. It was good to share cultural spaces. It was good to feel like you're doing something a little rebellious. And now that everyone's content is age appropriate and age siloed, I don't think that makes anything better.

[00:15:18]Jordan: Yeah, I agree. Because I think about the shows I watched growing up, I grew up watching, I watched more **** from the 70s and 80s than I did from the 2000s. I spent as much time watching Golden Girls and Matlock as I did watching Spider-Man and Fresh Prince and, you know, the Batman Beyond series and **** like that. And it did, I feel like it did help me with like, just like putting things, piecing things together, puzzles like clues, you know, just, you know, thinking logistically and thinking critically, things of that nature. For sure. So okay, so back to the song thing though. So obviously we talk about the songs that were about sex that we didn't realize were about sex. Did you have any that were about like other things that you didn't realize what they were actually about?

[00:15:59]Darius: No, I really don't. I just only had sexual examples. How about you?

[00:16:04]Jordan: I had two. Yeah, I had two. So Can We Talk by Tevin Campbell is basically a stalking anthem. He pretty much confirmed it a few years ago and he was like, yeah, someone was like, wait a minute, I read the lyrics and I think he didn't know the person. And he's like outside their window in the video. And they're like, was he a stalker? And he was like, pretty much.

[00:16:24]Darius: Yeah, you know, what's that Tip Teicha song? Have you seen her? He's like, I see her face everywhere I go on the streets and even at the picture show. It's like, where are you following?

[00:16:37]Jordan: Yeah, he's in the, he's got the trench coat and the shades.

[00:16:45]Darius: Yeah. Good old stalker anthems, man.

[00:16:48]Jordan: Yeah. Back before it got made illegal.

[00:16:53]Darius: I just, the most, it's not a song, but like the biggest, the one everyone talks about is Steve Urkel and Laura Winslow, where they just move their daughter's stalker into the house. A generation of men the ending of the show, spoiler alert, Urkel does get the girl. And now, a generation of men were raised on thinking if you could just wear a woman down, she might one day like you. And we've had this conversation on the pod before. I don't believe that to be true.

[00:17:26]Jordan: No, you should never. And also like, do you even want that? Why would you want that for yourself?

[00:17:30]Darius: It'll never stop feeling like an audition if you do that. So if you want to audition for your wife forever, I mean, if you want to, that's fine. But I don't really.

[00:17:44]Jordan: Yeah, I agree. I think about like when I think about like **** like that, like dating or whatever, I think to myself, like, is this a story I want to tell my kids? And if the answer is no, then you have your answer.

[00:17:54]Darius: Yeah, it's. Yeah, Steve Urkel was a big one.

[00:18:00]Jordan: Yeah. Who else? **** Myrtle and Eddie. It was the converse.

[00:18:06]Darius: Oh, yeah.

[00:18:07]Jordan: The girl chasing the guy.

[00:18:09]Darius: Family matters. You know, I actually enjoy family matters, though. I admit it has not aged well.

[00:18:15]Jordan: Yeah, it didn't age great.

[00:18:17]Darius: All the inventions Steve had, it was just like, why are they not rich yet? Like he invented time travel.

[00:18:26]Jordan: Didn't he have a teleportation device?

[00:18:27]Darius: Teleportation scene, coding device. Right. shrinking thing. He went to space in an episode. Yeah, it was not grounded in reality. We'll put it that way.

[00:18:40]Jordan: Yeah. Hashtag black men in STEM.

[00:18:44]Darius: All right, man. So we were talking. I don't know how we came up with this topic. Yeah, but I won't do a long lead in. What are some artists that you love who just cannot put together a good album?

[00:18:58]Jordan: Okay, I have a few on here. So my first one is Cash Doll. She's a dope *** rapper from Detroit, but she just has never made a good album. And it's like she's like great features, like great verses, like lyrical ability off the charts, sexy voice, beautiful woman. And for some reason, I've just like never liked any of her projects.

[00:19:20]Darius: I could, if Cash Doll sat next to me at the bar, I'd be like, hey ma'am, how are you today?

[00:19:27]Jordan: No, for sure, you probably wouldn't recognize her, but she would stop it. She would turn heads in the bar though.

[00:19:31]Darius: I have never heard a single lyric that she has to wax. So.

[00:19:36]Jordan: Okay, so this one is more so just because they haven't dropped in a while. And they're kind of living off like their first like 2 projects. Frank Ocean.

[00:19:46]Darius: Well, I mean, not dropping is not the same thing as making bad. Like Channel Orange is a good album.

[00:19:52]Jordan: No, Channel Orange is great. And **** what's the other one? Blonde is fantastic. But some of his other projects, he's kind of like living off that like. like that 06 Heat championship type ****.

[00:20:04]Darius: I think he just enjoys living in LA and.

[00:20:09]Jordan: That is also true.

[00:20:11]Darius: I hear that he's just lazy as ****.

[00:20:14]Jordan: Yeah, that's what I hear. I hear he's like basically he been scammed the record labels and he got his money and he's, I guess he's just like, I cashed out whatever.

[00:20:21]Darius: He's just laid up in Hollywood sleeping with white men. I think that's just what he wants to do forever.

[00:20:27]Jordan: Yeah, he's living out Gerard Carmichael's dreams.

[00:20:30]Darius: I think he's done. They crawled him out of whatever whole, they crawled him out of whatever. place he was in and got him to do Coachella for like half of one set. And they were like, nah, he's not.

[00:20:44]Jordan: No, yeah. He really wasted in people's money, man.

[00:20:51]Darius: But I mean, I guess that makes sense because my first example is Miguel and Kaleidoscope Dream is great.

[00:20:55]Jordan: Okay, yeah, I see.

[00:20:56]Darius: He can't. He has it. I don't get it. And he has great one-off songs, but like, look at the outputs, it's Kaleidoscope Dream. And it's just mid, mid, mid, trash, mid, mid.

[00:21:12]Jordan: It's just, I don't understand it.

[00:21:14]Darius: It's just, you know, I don't, get it because he just, he's, all the talent is there. And like, he could, you know, I've watched his sets more than tiny desk, just watch him on stage. And he has a set list, but it's all just like 2 songs from this album, one song from over here, three from this. It's never like, he doesn't have other than Kaleidoscope, like just 12 songs that are cohesive and it doesn't have to be a masterpiece, but why can't it be good? Right. Yeah, I don't understand.

[00:21:45]Jordan: I don't know if he needs better writers or what it is. Even like his features are ******* incredible. Like he elevates every song I hear him on with other people. I don't know why he can't do the same for himself.

[00:21:57]Darius: It's hard, man. Putting together that album, man. Everybody got a hot 16 albums are hard.

[00:22:01]Jordan: Yeah, albums are hard work.

[00:22:03]Darius: You know, it's like, it has to feel like an album. It can't just be, you know, a playlist. Yeah, like sequencing. It makes a difference. I've been like the last two days at the gym, I've been listening to Anderson Park's Malibu. And what makes a difference is the sequencing. Like each song flows into the next and it tells a story and they're different. And you can tell when someone just threw 16 tracks, they went into a spreadsheet and they were like, sort by, just threw it on there.

[00:22:36]Jordan: Sort by title.

[00:22:38]Darius: Yeah. Or they try to game the algorithm by putting the popular songs at the front. And I, you know, I get it, but you're not, you're not, that's not an album. That's a playlist. You got another one.

[00:22:49]Jordan: Yeah, I got a couple more. Demi Lovato.

[00:22:52]Darius: I think that's what Demi Lovato.

[00:22:56]Jordan: Not on a regular basis, but I was listening to one of her songs a couple of days ago and I was like, why doesn't she not, why doesn't she have like a, like she didn't have like a smash hit album. I think she's super talented. She got crazy pipes. Poor choice of words there considering. Yeah, I was going to say it's considered the addiction issue. Yeah, I think she's clean now. She's super talented. I don't know why she doesn't make better albums. That's one of them. I got Chance the Rapper.

[00:23:26]Darius: His last project was good.

[00:23:28]Jordan: His last project was good, but he went for like 8 years where he was dropping Hot dumpster juice.

[00:23:35]Darius: What was that album he dropped during the pandemic that was like, I love my wife?

[00:23:40]Jordan: I love my wife. With this cleared CD on it.

[00:23:45]Darius: New Day, I think it was called that. was really bad.

[00:23:49]Jordan: It was offensive how bad that was. I was washing dishes. I was blown away by how bad that album was. Yeah, I heard that. I heard the most recent was good. I still have not finished yet. I'll probably spend that some time this week.

[00:23:59]Darius: I mean, it says a lot that I haven't listened to it more than like the first week it came out, but I'd like, you know, throw it on the Bluetooth speaker, get to work and none of it was like, I need to shut the **** off, which. Yeah, that I could say for a new day.

[00:24:15]Jordan: So, you know, I thought that she was like a joke or something. Oh, my. My next one is Black. Guy who's the B is a six. He's otherworldly. I love like the dark emo **** but it's just that first album, which was incredible. He's dropped like just so much for picking up a music. I don't know what happened.

[00:24:43]Darius: My all-timer is Whitney Houston. Obviously just an other world vocalist. probably the greatest vocalist of all time. But you just go and if you ever just think about it, all the songs you like are just random, 2 here, one there, three there. It was never like.

[00:25:01]Jordan: I couldn't make a playlist of her stuff.

[00:25:03]Darius: I mean, that's the thing. You could make a playlist, but it wouldn't like that's.

[00:25:06]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:25:08]Darius: That's she's a good artist because you can grab 12 songs and make a playlist. But if you look at the dates on all those songs, it's all over her career. It's never a part of 1 project. And so Miguel's a white whale for me though, man. I just keep hoping he puts it together. I give everything he drops a chance and I'm disappointed every time. Who's the artist you'll never quit? Like just like every time they drop it, it's been mid five in a row, but you're gonna go back to the six.

[00:25:38]Jordan: That actually reminds me that I have one more artist and this that describes them perfectly. Drake.

[00:25:43]Darius: Yeah, I quit.

[00:25:46]Jordan: I'm like, yo, if I told one of my homegirls, I was like, yo, he dropped the release date for Iceman coming out May 15th. And I was like, yo, if that **** is not fire, we are killing him on the pod. I was like, yo, because the last, what, four albums have been like so forgettable. Like it's always good songs, but it's just like, what? I don't understand. Like he had three out of, like his first three, four projects were incredible. And then it's like he either stop caring or run out of steam or try to do satisfy too many different fan base with the genre switch ups and ****. I want to just like pick a lane and just do that for a whole project.

[00:26:20]Darius: Thank take care. Nothing was the same. If you're reading this is too late run, we'll always have that. But yes, Yeah, if you're reading this is too late, it's probably the last album I would consider good.

[00:26:34]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:26:35]Darius: After that, I just it's just I don't Like you said, there's one there's one off songs here and there and but it's just so much of it is just so forgettable and lazy and mailed in and nothing was the same. No great Jim Apple. You got another one.

[00:26:56]Jordan: That was my list. I'm trying to think of someone if I can figure something off the top of my head. I haven't been crazy about like No, that'd be excessive. I was gonna say Cole, but I just hated the fall off.

[00:27:14]Darius: Yeah, the prompt is artist you love and I don't love him. Yeah, you have to be good for me to be disappointed.

[00:27:24]Jordan: Well, the problem is he made a double album and the second disc after the third song is like so bad it feels like a joke. Like I legit thought like I had the wrong album on or my headset was like connect to somebody else's phone. Because the Bluetooth, I was like, there's no way this is, who told him this is okay? Why are you singing this much?

[00:27:46]Darius: The last thing I liked from him was 2014 Forest Hill Drive, and that was in 2014, which is 12 years old.

[00:27:52]Jordan: That's great. That was his peak. Yeah.

[00:27:57]Darius: That's.

[00:27:57]Jordan: But it was, it was.

[00:28:00]Darius: If he toured just that album front to back, I would, I would buy tickets to that. But I would too. so you got a prompt about a cause controversial. What is it?

[00:28:14]Jordan: Yes, I saw a post on Twitter about DiCaprio urging other celebrities to join a cause like environmental, like wildlife sort of cause.

[00:28:25]Darius: Are you Leonardo DiCaprio?

[00:28:27]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:28:27]Darius: Gotcha. And I was like.

[00:28:30]Jordan: Oh, and then somebody like retweeted it. And they were just like, you know, basically saying doing the whole thing of like, no one ever advocates for like minorities, things of that nature. And which I do like this. It was a fair point of the questions they made. I just for me, it was just like, okay, well, he the environment and wildlife is a worthy cause. And we don't know that he's not doing anything for other causes as well. But I guess that's got me to thinking that is it because I wonder if they felt the way they need to criticize him because the environment or wildlife is not like considered controversial. Like no one's going to be like, yes, let's make the worst earth the better place, you know, as opposed to where, you know, speaking up for the rights of other people is always going to be controversial because there's always going to be people who don't view people as equal, so on and so forth. Or if you speak up for women's rights or if you speak up for, I don't know, insert like real controversial cause defending the police, something like that. So it got me to wondering if if a cause has to be controversial to be deemed worthy of fighting for.

[00:29:40]Darius: So what's the criticism that he he just takes low hanging fruit and doesn't actually take any risk?

[00:29:47]Jordan: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:50]Darius: It's important to understand and not you, the royal you, that everybody doesn't have to do everything. It's okay if people stay in their lane. But also just like looking for celebrities to lead the revolution will always leave you disappointed. But it's just, to me, people need to learn how to take yes for an answer. And if you agree with whatever cause he's promoting environmental, whatever, whatever, that's fine. Why are you looking for a way to make this bad? Take yes or answer. You know, like, I just don't, you see this often in politics where, you know, some, you saw it in like, some guy who voted for Trump in 2016 and then flipped to Biden in 2020 and people go, they start finger wagging and it's like, well, why are you in this if you don't want people to change their minds? Yeah. You know, it's just take a guess for an answer. You know, I understand the frustration and like, you didn't know all this and you know, how do you just not finding this out? It's like, well, I'm sorry, but the game of politics is getting people to change their mind. And if you don't want to do that. Or if you find that or you're annoyed by that, then you need to just find another another hobby because this is the game.

[00:31:12]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:31:13]Darius: You know, like you do something else with your time. If you if you only want to deal with people who already agree with you, then politics just isn't the arena for you. And so to to wrap this around to wrap that back around, it's like, is the cause good or not? Sometimes also like these things. aren't as universal as you want to believe. Like I did, like you said, like everyone agrees that we shouldn't destroy environments. I'm like, are you sure? If you're in big business, maybe not. Cause I, you know, I'm team tear down the trees. We need more housing. So like, every time I see a