Stardom, Sacrifice, and the Rapper Voltron (WOOM 05/26/26)

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00:00:00 Jordan: What do you think about that game last night, Kane's game? I mean, the win that mattered.

00:00:06 Darius: Honest to God, I don't know what I'm watching with hockey. I just know when the goals go in. So I couldn't, if I told you anything, I would just be making it up. So I'm glad that they won. Because when they win, the city has good vibes. But if you're asking me why they won, I couldn't tell you who scored the goal. I make the joke. Every hockey goal feels like an accident to me because I don't know what's going on. But yeah, it's a good time. I enjoy. Welcome to Out the Trump with Jordan and Darius. My name is Darius. That's these all up in area on all socials.

00:00:42 Jordan: And I'm Jordan. That's Jordan to be writing on all socials.

00:00:45 Darius: This is our segment where we let you guys know what's on our mind, what we've seen on the internet, vice versa. If you notice, there was not a release last week. And that's because we recorded for 2 1/2 hours and I forgot to press record. So Jordan runs all the socials, but you can aim all of your hate mail at me. You can find my app. You know what it is. We say it all the time. It's totally my fault. He did nothing wrong. And two and a half hours later, I realized I did not press the record button. This is the first time in a few months of recording. So that's on me.

00:01:21 Jordan: Yeah.

00:01:21 Darius: Sorry about that to the listeners and to my co-host.

00:01:24 Jordan: Yeah, but you know what? It's all good. It's a right of passage in the content or creative space, losing your ****. My last spot I had, we recorded like 4, 4 1/2 hours. And we couldn't use any of it because the audio was ****** **. And so I've been there. So it's just a rite of passage, you know? And it's better to get these out the way early than like, say we have like LeBron on and we lose the recording. You know what I'm saying?

00:01:49 Darius: Hopefully we'll be a bit higher tech by then. But The circumstances which led to that aren't repeatable or they're repeatable, but now I know how to prevent it. So it won't happen again. So we're going to start off with the rapper Voltron. What you got for the people?

00:02:08 Jordan: Yeah, so I was watching a lot of like action and movies and stuff like that lately. I've been thinking of like, you know, if we could give the abilities of different musicians to other musicians, what would they be? What would you pick and choose? Rap is the genre we probably are most the biggest enthusiast of. So that was kind of my area of focus. So like, for example, like I wonder what like Biggie would sound like with Rick Ross's production or if he did a full album with like Yay producing or, you know, if say like Jay did a collab with Push, album with Push, like I feel like that'd be like the best drug dealer bars of all time. You know what I mean? Like **** like that. Like what are some combinations you'd like to mix and match up throughout the course of hip hop? The course of history of hip hop.

00:02:54 Darius: I would give. So I think Boss Mandilo is underrated as a lyricist, but I would give him.

00:03:02 Jordan: Yeah.

00:03:04 Darius: Like Jay Z's vocabulary because sometimes. That's a little strong. But sometimes if you listen to his music, you can tell when a phrase becomes a crutch and, you know, break out a thesaurus wouldn't hurt him. I was what I'll say.

00:03:22 Jordan: For sure. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't really a little bit of Shakespeare. Get his vocab up.

00:03:29 Darius: You know that that's that's that's one off the top of my head. You got another one.

00:03:37 Jordan: I'd maybe do like. I feel like if you could give Cole most deaths level of depth, you would have an amazing project.

00:03:54 Darius: Depth isn't the problem with me with Cole. I have him down here. I would give him Biggs ability to make a song. I just think Cole is a great rapper, doesn't make good music. And so I just, you know, he just Sometimes that happens a lot. I think Nas is a great rapper who makes bad music.

00:04:12 Jordan: Yeah.

00:04:14 Darius: You know, it's those are two different skill sets. And when they blend together, you get iconic people. But like a lot of times, you know, I think, well, Jadicus, he made good music, but I don't know if his albums are that great like his albums like he was bad at like album cuts but he made good singles and he was able to cross over a little bit but it's a different skill between being a great rapper and making good music.

00:04:44 Jordan: Yeah I think so too like he did a collab project with Fab I think it was called like I want to say like Friday 13th or something like that or Friday even use Jace or something like that and that was super dope because Fab's better at making songs so he probably took the reins on the creative direction of the project and just have Jada used to doing his crazy bars, you know what I mean? It was like a super dope project to listen to. That's a good theme. Rappers who make great rappers who don't make good music. Trying to think.

00:05:12 Darius: Lupe Fiasco.

00:05:14 Jordan: Yeah, Lupe. Black Thought.

00:05:17 Darius: Oh, Black Thought makes good music.

00:05:18 Jordan: Well, that's true.

00:05:19 Darius: The Roots make good music.

00:05:21 Jordan: That's what I was going to say. So like a solo, I don't know that I want to hear necessarily a solo project.

00:05:29 Darius: I get the feeling you just don't like rappity rappers.

00:05:31 Jordan: No, I love rappity rappers. It's just that I think.

00:05:35 Darius: You like the bells and the whistles?

00:05:37 Jordan: I do. Yeah, I like the bells and the whistles. I like the bells and the whistles with the depth. You know what I mean? I feel like some of the rappity rappers, they get so much into like, I rappity rap and I'm smart and you're not, but they're not actually saying anything that shows their intelligence, just the way they use the work. That too. It's just like, it's like just the way they use their word, their words shows their intelligence. That makes sense. You know what I mean? They're kind of like, it's sort of like, no disrespect. It's sort of like the Jalen Brown thing where, you know, I'm not saying he's not smart, but I don't know what he said or done to show that he's like, you know, sure like Holmes level intelligence compared to his peers. You know what I'm saying?

00:06:13 Darius: Yeah, I'm like, you, I can't call him dumb, but I haven't seen any evidence he's smart. Like, I just, you know, Jay-Z said, because a were Koofy at Domingetty bright.

00:06:29 Jordan: So you understand Domingetty nice.

00:06:31 Darius: You know, it's no, I mean, I like the bells and whistles too. I don't really actually like a lot of rappity rap rap stuff. I think when MF Doom passed RIP and all, But I remember people were like linking to his music and I'm like, is my internet wrong? Like I don't like this can't be the songs y'all are talking about. Link me to the Spotify with the songs you're talking about because the ones on mine are terrible.

00:07:00 Jordan: Yeah. Like so I love the rabbit rap ****. I just I just go to it when I'm like, when I'm studying the craft of rap or like when I'm working on like front portrait if I want to do more bar **** I'm gonna listen to like a lot of rabbity *** rappers you know so I'll listen to like maybe a lot of Royce or M **** like that when I if I'm just like focusing the bars so they do have a purpose of course and also I enjoy their music too but I do get the whole There's a fine line because I feel like rap fans, they're either like, need some **** to shake their *** to, or they only want to hear like the conscious bar ****. It's like there is a middle ground. And that's where that kind of like the it's almost like a segregation of rap fans. And that's kind of what sort of what led into like the Kendrick Drake ****. It was like, you know, bars versus purists versus commercialism, if you will. Yeah.

00:07:45 Darius: No, I mean, I mean, I said it as a question to you, but actually, I mean, I am, I prefer, like, I just don't, I mean, most rappity rappers I don't like, I don't like, I got a Fred who's a little older than me and he'll like link me to some Eric B. and Rakim song. And I'm like, this **** sounds like it was made in a closet. It's just like, Hey, they have bars though.

00:08:09 Jordan: Rakim had bars.

00:08:10 Darius: That's fine. The music sucked though. I just feel like that bars aren't enough. We already have something for that. That's called poetry. Like this is music though. And we need to make, the music has to be palatable to the ears. I'm not, we already have poetry and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with poetry, but that's a different medium than this. And so, no, I, I thought I think Big was like one of the best at making songs. And that's what made him special is because he could rap and he could make songs. And I would if I could just give that ability to a lot, I mean, a lot of rappers, it would be, you know, they'd be better off. I think rap groups were in the sense that rap groups kind of form their own Voltrons because Right. People compensated for weaknesses. And you don't see that as much anymore because no one wants to split their money three ways. But have you listened to Amigo's solo album? You mean each of their individual projects? Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough.

00:09:22 Jordan: Okay. Yeah, I've liked some of some of offset ****. His solo ****. I never really got to listen to a lot of tick off solo **** to be honest. RP. And I feel like Quavo is like the upgrade to like the tight dollar sign joke where like he's partially you put it, you can put him on anything or with any artist and he's good. But like individually you don't necessarily you don't want you to play the parsley, you know?

00:09:43 Darius: Yeah, I definitely the the the whole was greater than the sum of the parts in that one.

00:09:51 Jordan: Yeah, they were literally Voltron.

00:09:53 Darius: Yeah. And they I mean, I mean, I'm partial to cast, but when it comes to rap groups, you'd be hard-pressed to find if you just, they had a 10-year run, damn near. And so, but they're all terrible solo artists, RIP take, but the rest of them were just terrible solo artists. So anybody else?

00:10:15 Jordan: I'm trying to think, see if I maybe something down and forget about it. I think so I got off the top of my head. Maybe like, if I could give, okay, like if I could give Snoop Biggs ability to make a song.

00:10:40 Darius: Yeah.

00:10:40 Jordan: I think that would be crazy because Snoop had the great voice, great delivery, just but the pen, the pen wasn't really the strength of his, you know, that wasn't the best tool in his repertoire.

00:10:50 Darius: Have you heard the MGK Wiz? I think that dropped Friday. For guests.

00:10:56 Jordan: Are you talking about that Sunday? I forgot. I have not gotten to that yet.

00:10:59 Darius: You said you liked it. It's cool. Is okay. They did a good job of making me feel like I was in 2012 again. And whether that's good or bad, probably depends about how you feel about 2012. And so the bads, the lows are really low. There's a couple of songs on there where I'm like, and when you, when the project's only 25 minutes and three of the songs are bad, So it's like of the 25 minutes, nine of them are bad. It's like what we're talking about. So, but no, the regular songs. Regular songs are fine. I don't think it's like it's a bad listen, but you know, I don't think they'll be touring that music. I think they're just having a little fun.

00:11:45 Jordan: Okay.

00:11:45 Darius: It would be lost in the dustbin of collab tapes like that DaBaby Young Boy tape that just came, they just dropped on here.

00:11:53 Jordan: Yeah, I don't think I heard that one.

00:11:54 Darius: They dropped the tape a couple years ago and it's like, I don't even, I've never seen them pictured together. So they probably just, their label is just emailed versed back before. So that was weird. But anyways, all right, so this is a little bit dated, but do you remember the Draymond Green, Charles Barkley turfuffle on inside the NBA?

00:12:19 Jordan: Yes, I do. I vividly remember that. That's the most awkward. attempted humor. I think it was attempted humor that I've ever seen.

00:12:26 Darius: You know, it's it's like inside jokes only work when you're on the inside. And it's like, you know, things that we can say amongst each other's as jokes. Outsiders say to be like, hold on, man.

00:12:42 Jordan: Yeah, no, no. You get in the face.

00:12:45 Darius: You ever see the episode of Martin where Gina's friend comes to town? And Martin and Pam, obviously anyone who seemed to show, they bicker back and forth.

00:12:53 Jordan: Oh yeah, she was talking **** to Pam. And Martin was like, hold on, you don't know her like that.

00:12:57 Darius: No, Like we joke because that's my wife's best friend and you know, whatever, but we don't know you. Right, And so that's what that felt like. The rest of the set was like, hold on player, we don't.

00:13:12 Jordan: Yeah, It's like when a stranger comes up and just gets a little too friendly.

00:13:18 Darius: Yeah.

00:13:19 Jordan: Everyone's like, Yo, do you know this dude?

00:13:22 Darius: Inside jokes. Got to stay inside sometimes. But anyways, I'm way off top. Yeah. But so Draymond basically it Charles Barkley ignited like what I what I thought was an interesting, interesting view into how people view sports and view life in general. And it just brought me to this question.

00:13:38 Jordan: Yeah.

00:13:39 Darius: Would you rather be the bass player in a stadium act or would you rather be the lead singer of a theater act? Hmm.

00:13:52 Jordan: Yeah, I think I'd rather, I was in choir and I always had more fun when I got the leads. So yeah, I'm going to say I'd rather be in the lead in the theater act than a bass in the stadium. I mean, either one's fun and either way you're a rock star. So it's no shame either one, but if you're going to ask me, I'd rather be lead. And also I'm used to performing alone, so I just naturally have that inclination.

00:14:16 Darius: And I think that's most people's revealed preferences, but that's not what they'll state. Most people, especially when it comes to basketball, they'll claim they value the things Draymond did, but truly they just, they, value what Charles Barkley did. And so it's like, but as the bass player in the stadium, you're going to make more money. You're going to have bigger records. You're going to make the Hall of Famer. And, but you know, your name's never going to be on the door. And the light's never going to be on you. It is for so many people. That's what's important.

00:14:47 Jordan: You're not going on Letterman.

00:14:49 Darius: Yeah, no, you're not. But, you know, and that's and so Draymond looks at it like, if not to defend him, like he's a jerk by and large, but his frustration and I don't want to speak for him, but just me outside looking in is that y'all claim y'all value what I do. But your reviewed preferences are what Charles Barkley did. And why do people view Charles Barkley's career as like more important than Draymond's or more valuable than Draymond's?

00:15:23 Jordan: I mean, so the surface answer, he dated Madonna and was best friends with Michael Jordan. He had a fire shoe. He had crazy stats. Not that you played for stats, but he did have crazy stats.

00:15:36 Darius: I mean, but that's the thing though. People do.

00:15:41 Jordan: That's true.

00:15:42 Darius: So you just did it. You just did it. You stated a preference. But in your reveal preference.

00:15:46 Jordan: No, I'm saying keep. No, I'm saying if you're if you're asking me why would someone want to be the Charles Barkley compared to Draymond Green? You know, there's the answer. He was a rock star in the 90s. He was on the dream team, you know. But Draymond was on the team. He was not a fixture.

00:16:00 Darius: Not to play for stats. Yes, you do. Yes, they do. That's what they want. Like, yes, it is.

00:16:06 Jordan: Yeah. More players play for stats than one to admit. That is, that is very true.

00:16:09 Darius: Because it's rewarded.

00:16:12 Jordan: Yeah, for sure. That's how you get paid.

00:16:13 Darius: They know what we say, but then they see what we reward. And it's like, I understand Draymond's frustration because, you know, He's going to make the Hall of Fame. He's made a ton of money, but he's sacrificed to win. You know, he's got four championships. He looks at Charles Barkley like you're a ******* joke. You showed up fat half the seasons. You prioritize fun. You just wanted to dribble the ball and like you took basketball series for one season and you made the finals and you just never did it again. And like, this is who y'all, this is y'all king. Is this your game?

00:16:49 Jordan: Well, so I hear you. So to your point about to your point about Draymond sacrificing, what exactly did he sacrifice in his game? Because I most fans would make the most people make the argument. Actually, I'll make the argument that if he was not on Golden State, I don't know how long his career would have lasted.

00:17:07 Darius: He's the greatest he was not part of that system, Kevin Garnett.

00:17:13 Jordan: But he came along at the perfect time, perfect system, perfect team. You know, it wasn't. I don't know that. He's has the same career or even similar career if he played, if he got drafted to. Charlotte.

00:17:27 Darius: Well, I mean, so obviously nothing similar for championships. No, but I think those skills are transferable and I think people claim defenses half the game, but they treat it like, you know, 10% of the game. And he was the second best player on the 73 win team. And I just believe if he dribbled a lot, no one would say these things about him. They wouldn't say these skills don't transfer. But like if you just look up, I don't know the stat or just like wins above replacement for Draymond and his prime on those teams. He was the second best player on this team to Steph Curry.

00:18:02 Jordan: Yeah.

00:18:03 Darius: No one would ever say those things about Kyrie Irving, you know, because he dribbled a lot and he had a cool shoe and it just because to me, it's not even close. I would 10 times pick Draymond Green's career over Charles Barkley's career. It's not even like it's not even close. So I thought everyone was on the same page with me. And then I saw this argument and I'm like, y'all been lying.

00:18:23 Jordan: They were not.

00:18:24 Darius: They were not.

00:18:24 Jordan: They were not. Well, but I think so it's a back kind of back. No, I know. It's like, you know, back to kind of the original premise is, you know, everybody says they would be down to be a role play, would sacrifice. The truth is, most people want to be lead. that's, we do podcasting. Most podcasts break up because one guy wants to be the star or thinks they're the star and they're not the star, or they fight over money or certain podcasts, who shall remain nameless, they start to view their friends as their employees. You know what I'm saying? So we see that happen all the time. And it, **** that's, I mean, if not for those long contracts, I don't know that the Bulls would stay together. I think if Scotty Pippen had a chance to get off on his own and get paid and try to compete for championships by himself and get comparable money, I think he probably would have done it. You know what I mean? We saw them, they broke up Russ and KD. They broke up, **** that's part of why Kyrie and Brown broke up. I think that's part of why, **** who, I mean, KD leaving the Warriors. It's kind of ironic that Draymond has this view of Barkley. But on the flip side, he felt like they saved KD. And they, what I mean? And that altered the history of their franchise going forward. something it's kind of funny how that played out too.

00:19:40 Darius: I mean, he looks at it like, what is Kevin Durant won without us?

00:19:43 Jordan: Oh, no, for sure. Yeah, 100%.

00:19:44 Darius: They were proven, they were proven to be right. And then it just.

00:19:48 Jordan: In the moment, in that moment, everybody was like, whoa.

00:19:51 Darius: Then they won after him. And then like, that's, I mean, I just remember that summer being like, Kevin Durant is choosing Kyrie Irving over Stephen Curry. And we're treating this like it's not.

00:20:02 Jordan: Like that's equal.

00:20:03 Darius: It's just. I thought we were supposed to prioritize Wendy. Eddie, like the Nets were like an eighth seed that year and you left a finals team to play with DeAndre Jordan and Kyrie Irving.

00:20:18 Jordan: And Brooklyn?

00:20:19 Darius: Because Draymond Green was meaning.

00:20:21 Jordan: They're your friends because they're your friends.

00:20:23 Darius: I just thought we were having a different, me and the basketball community was having a different conversation, but really. To everyone having their name on the door is actually of course you'd love to have both.

00:20:36 Jordan: Yeah, right.

00:20:37 Darius: But like I look at Donovan Mitchell and I'm like. Dude, you could play with like you're clearly a number 2.

00:20:44 Jordan: Yeah.

00:20:45 Darius: And like you could play with someone better than you and win a lot, but he's never gonna do that because it's naming on the door. He likes being the last person announced. That's why he stayed in Utah as long as he did.

00:21:00 Jordan: Yeah. And it's like same thing with Devin Booker, same thing with Bradley Beal. They've wasted 10 years of their career because they wanted to get the bag and shoot meaningless baskets.

00:21:08 Darius: Yeah. Or just like Jalen Brown's about to get traded from the Celtics, probably. Right. And it's like, dude, you got drafted into the perfect situation.

00:21:16 Jordan: You, you've been to what, 6 conference finals?

00:21:19 Darius: Six conference finals. You've won a championship. You've gotten all your money. There's another thing too. It's important to note. I'm not asking like everyone's getting paid. So it's not like that's my that's my thing.

00:21:29 Jordan: It's like if I'm getting paid like the man, I don't really care to be the man at that point. Like you get less criticism. You still get the bag. You still get all the attention off the field and everything that he was doing with who he was doing it with. You know what I'm saying? So I don't really understand. I mean, I get it, but it's just like, but that's why the person is specifically with, specifically with Jalen Brown is you had two. the ultimate shots to show that you're a guy, the guy two game sevens with Jason Tatum off the floor and you wet the bed. And you compare that to Kobe Bryant in 2001 against the Pacers, game four, Shaq goes down with the ankle injury, or no, or fouls out, one of the two. And Kobe took over and it was like, okay, we get why he thinks he's MJ. You know what I mean? Like you have your chance, you had your chance twice and you blew it. I'm not saying you don't get another chance, but you've kind of shown that you're a plan B, bro.

00:22:21 Darius: Yeah, I mean, for sure. And it's like. But that's the thing though. That's why the premise is bass player on the stadium. I made that was strategic because you would make more money as the bass player on, I don't know, name one of these stadium bands over like some guy performing at Red Hat. Right.

00:22:41 Jordan: It's Oasis or, you know, Goo Goo Doll, some **** like that.

00:22:44 Darius: But just like the nameless faceless members of Maroon 5 make way more money than the lead singer of But when people say by Jalen Brown, people are going to be like, well, yeah, I get it. And it's because the name on the door is more important than making the most money or winning the most. And I guess I have a higher value for players who prioritize who actually walk what they walk the walk. Yeah. And so I feel you.

00:23:16 Jordan: That's why Jimmy Butler left the Bulls.

00:23:19 Darius: Yeah, he was not a serious person.

00:23:20 Jordan: Back in the day.

00:23:21 Darius: Like, it's just not. You know, it was just like, Kyrie leaving LeBron because I guess, yeah, whatever. What has he won since then? And it's just these, you see TV shows break up, you see They're never the same. They're never the same. Beats and Samero, they had a bunch of magic, but whatever they broke up, whatever.

00:23:53 Jordan: I think they both suck individually. I mean, they don't suck individually, but I just, that's not as good.

00:23:58 Darius: Yeah, I just don't consume anything that they make individually just because it's the Migos thing. Oh, yeah. Listen to ******* offset. I just don't know. I could have granted this a little different because takeoff passed. Yeah, but they broke up before then. I got to stayed in the group.

00:24:19 Jordan: They also done your solo projects.

00:24:21 Darius: Whatever. Just touring, making money, keeping the brand strong. Yeah, but you know, I what was found out is that people really They want that light when the lights come on and everyone's, the mic is on them and their mic's on. And when you're the bass player, you're in the shadows in the corner just strumming.

00:24:42 Jordan: Yeah. And everybody thinks they're, you know, it's like a **** Desi's child or even the Jacksons. Like two of those five were phenomenal on their own. Desi's child, two of those three slash 5, because they swapped the third girl out a couple of times, were in phenomenal on their own. That's rare. like that's you got you got to learn when you have magic and you got to do everything you can to keep that **** afloat.

00:25:05 Darius: Well, it's like you mentioned Oasis earlier. I think Liam's a singer and Noah is the basically brains of the operation, the writer, the composer, they're brothers. And there's a video they toured last year for the first time. And Noah can carry a note. He's fine. Obviously, he wrote all the songs, but Liam is singing Wanderwall. And the third voice verse, Noah has like a couple of background vocals in it. And the way he just looks at his brother like you were always meant to be in front. Like, it just doesn't like. And, you know, I don't I don't know how to I don't even know where I'm going with this, but it's just fascinating to me, like. I Kevin Kevin McHale's career. Yeah, I would take that. You know, he made the Hall of Fame and made his money. You know, he never has to buy a beer in Boston to become a coach, you know, to become a coach. And he won a lot. And to me, that's what I would just matter way more than I mean, he was in his own right. He could have demanded a trade off of Boston and played in Milwaukee and averaged 25 points a night and never won a championship. But like, man, give me the chips as long as the money's close, give me the chips and.

00:26:24 Jordan: I hear you.

00:26:25 Darius: I almost see it as like better than not. I mean, I don't even want the burden to have my name on the door, but and.

00:26:31 Jordan: Also like for the younger viewers, like before Dirk and what else before Dirk, I say before like Malone and Tim Duncan, Kevin McHale had a case for the best power forward ever. Yeah, he was really him.

00:26:44 Darius: I mean, he was like the third pick in that draft that he came in. So, you know, he was the second best player on those teams. But, you know.

00:26:54 Jordan: No.

00:26:55 Darius: I guess I just close it with like I have I understand Draymond is a volatile personality. He's a challenging person to like but I have an affinity because I appreciate what he did as a basketball player.

00:27:10 Jordan: Yeah.

00:27:10 Darius: You know and People say what he did was easy, like he was just carrying Steph Curry's luggage. But clearly, if it was that easy to subjugate your ego in favor of winning, way more players would do it. True.

00:27:23 Jordan: And if he really was just doing like **** that didn't matter, they wouldn't put up with all the ******** he's done, quite frankly. Correct.

00:27:31 Darius: So there's that. So a JD adage, man, you say it's so easy, go find another one. I'm sure teams have tried.

00:27:36 Jordan: I'm sure teams have tried.

00:27:37 Darius: I mean, he's 6 foot 8. big men with long arms have been drafted because they're the next Draymond Green.

00:27:44 Jordan: And they tried that with Denzel, Valentine, a couple other guys. I think it may be Alfred Camino, like a lesser version of that. You know, they've tried with certain certain guys. You know, and NBA fans, we do love to **** on Draymond because it is funny because he's like loud and obnoxious and he's not the best player, but he acts like he's the best player. So it's just fun to **** on him. But like, If you truly love basketball and truly know the game, you have nothing but respect for what he's done and the career's card out for himself. You know, making $200 million from a second round pick, a 6-6 power forward. I mean, that's tough to do.

00:28:17 Darius: And you know, I mean, he doesn't do himself any favor. His social media manager definitely doesn't with the way they click. But he has this breakdown of that game one of the New York Knicks when they were just crushing James Harden. And he was just like, Yeah, the disgust in his voice. He didn't say any names, but it was for Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. He was just like, I would never leave Steph Curry out there like that. Never in 100, that's your job. Like, you know, and honestly, James Harden is old and not Steph Curry anymore, but he was viscerally offended at the fact that they didn't want any part of what it takes to be.

00:28:57 Jordan: Just trying to help him out. Just hedge a little bit. Jesus Christ, stand at the elbow, do something.

00:29:02 Darius: You know, so. Art political. What you got for the people?

00:29:09 Jordan: Yeah, so I just, you see on the social media sites and all that, people are always like, my God, I hate when they make everything so political now. Everything's such a message or like, especially with like LGBTQ content, they're like, oh my God, they're just throwing it in their face, you know? And it's like, which is the same **** white people used to say about black people being on TV shows. Well, they still say it now, but you know. And it's just funny to me because, you know, I've been watching a lot of older movies lately that I loved when I was a kid. And the messaging was always submersive, yet very clear. You know, like I loved all the animated Disney movies, you know, like one of my favorite movies was Hunchback of Notre Dame. It's all about the hypocrisy of religion, you know, and the government and the oligarchies. You know, there's a movie called Bedknobs and Broomsticks, and it's literally about like World War II, pretty much. It's like Englanders trying to do what they can to in their own small way in World War II and kind of the conditions they were in at the time, against Germany. Jennifer Lawrence, the Hunger Games. Like those movies are all about taking down big governments. So it's just funny to me the way people act like these messages weren't always there. ******* Wizard of Oz, one of the biggest movies of all time. is one of the most political movement messages you'll ever see in a ******* movie.

00:30:30 Darius: I mean, even something like that these people would watch. And here's like, they get it when it's on their side. Like The Dark Knight Rises, a conservative movie, right? Ban is basically a socialist. He's trying to overthrow Wall Street. And Batman teams up with a bunch of cops and Neil saves the day. I don't know how much more overtly conservative you could be than that. Like you and I can watch The Dark Knight Rises and understand that we may or may not agree with the underlying premise of the political message, but it's a good movie. It just doesn't seem like they're capable of doing that when the movie is liberal in nature. And I do miss when movies were a bit trusted the viewer more than they do now. Like, I think it was. There's a new movie out. I haven't seen it. I love boosters. And the complaint from people who are like amenable to the message of the movie are like, it's not even a movie. It's just her beating us over the head with her beliefs. And it's like, you have to make a good movie first and then you can, you know, go with it.

00:31:40 Jordan: Okay. She Jordan Field it.

00:31:43 Darius: Well, yeah, for the most part. But Jordan Peele used to be better.

00:31:47 Jordan: Yeah.

00:31:47 Darius: You know, so talk about one hit wonder. But no, just as long as it's artfully done and it doesn't insult my intelligence and it trusts me as