Grown Men Can’t Say “Ouch”? (WOOM 11/18/25)

Transcript

[00:00:00]Darius: Welcome to Out the Trunk with Jordan and Darius. My name is Darius. That's these all up in the area on all socials.

[00:00:06]Jordan: And I'm Jordan. That's Jordan to be writing on all socials.

[00:00:10]Darius: This is our segment we call what's on our mind, our musings, what we've come across during the week, you know, just kind of things we want to talk about. So let me just say off the rip. Earlier today, I heard a grown man say ouch. And as a grown man, you're not allowed to say ouch. You're supposed to curse or grunge or something, but you cannot express pain with the words ouch. I was honestly taken aback by it.

[00:00:39]Jordan: That's actually hilarious. What was the context?

[00:00:43]Darius: I don't know. I heard him like two or three cubicles down and I don't know what he actually did because I just was like, did he really say ouch? I hadn't heard a grown man say ouch in a long time. So *** **** it, **** ****. Yeah. grunt, whatever. But as a grown man, ouch is for women and children. So, you want to talk to?

[00:01:11]Jordan: Yeah, well to shoot my man some bills since he was at work.

[00:01:14]Darius: Yes.

[00:01:14]Jordan: I get it because you can't be screaming out cuss words at the office. So I mean, I'll stall him out a little bit on that one.

[00:01:22]Darius: I feel like the social norms around cursing at work have been laxed. I've been like you obviously you can't curse like you curse at a bar, but I mean a damn it a **** When you, I don't know, staple your thumb or something, I feel like no one's going to call you down to HR for that. In fact, I know no one's going to call you down to HR for that. So that is a good, rebuttal though. He was at work, maybe he edited himself a little bit.

[00:01:52]Jordan: So that's kind of the sole reason I don't like being at the office because I think our systems go wonky like multiple times a day. So I need to be able to scream and cuss my frustrations out.

[00:02:03]Darius: I was a bit, I am still a bit, I'm like feral.

[00:02:07]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:02:09]Darius: Someone will ping me and I'll be like, *** **** it. And it's like, oh ****. I'm in the office. I can't do that. Yeah.

[00:02:17]Jordan: I remember my, one of my managers gave me. They noticed like me just doing that and they gave me like a couple of stress balls. I broke those. And then I had one of the keyboard, the little wrist things for the keyboard with a gel inside. It's when I get first I would just stab with pen, my pen and they would just be like gel. All right, Patrick Bateman. Oh my God, it's got a watermark. All right.

[00:02:43]Darius: Stabbing the keyboard is a bit.

[00:02:46]Jordan: No, not the keyboard. It's like a wrist cushion for when you're typing. And so I would just like stab that. We can take a walk. I just would step. Yeah. I had to start doing that. I did. I had to start doing that. I get some vitamin D, you know.

[00:03:02]Darius: Pause. Yeah. No, I the other thing too is Going from listening to podcasts and music on my Bluetooth speaker to my headphones was an adjustment that I was not used to. Also, rapping along, words that I say at home, I cannot say in the office.

[00:03:22]Jordan: No.

[00:03:23]Darius: Bit of an, and also when the headphones are in, sometimes you say things out loud that you don't realize that you think you're mouthing. Right, yes, It can be tricky considering I listen to a lot of rap music. So yeah, man, it's an adjustment period. We'll just leave it at that.

[00:03:41]Jordan: I've done that too. Like I'd be at the office of the cubicle and I'd just be scrolling Twitter, TikTok, whatever. And I didn't notice I was doing it. And my co-workers be like, Jordan, you just be having the time of your life over there. You're just laughing at everything. I'm thinking I'm like silently chuckling and apparently I'm just he hawing all day at work.

[00:03:58]Darius: You know, I've always said Talking to yourself is normal as long as you don't start answering yourself. Yeah, I agree.

[00:04:05]Jordan: I agree. Because I routinely get caught talking to myself and I have no shame in it.

[00:04:09]Darius: Yeah. There are people walking around that don't have an internal monologue. They just.

[00:04:13]Jordan: Really.

[00:04:14]Darius: They just have.

[00:04:15]Jordan: Interesting.

[00:04:15]Darius: I don't.

[00:04:16]Jordan: I think that's kind of scary.

[00:04:19]Darius: Honestly, it's, you know, I won't besmirch their intelligence, but it's definitely bizarre.

[00:04:24]Jordan: Yeah. Okay.

[00:04:25]Darius: So we'll leave it at that. You want to talk about some of your some of your other some of your podcast pet peeves. Do you want to name them or you want to not jeopardize future partnerships?

[00:04:37]Jordan: I mean, these I mean, some people I can probably name whatever. It's not even so much like specific podcasts. I listen to a lot. It's more just **** that I noticed throughout multiple podcasts that really that tend to hurt me as a listener. And you can tell when like the ones who listen to their audience, the ones who kind of don't or don't do it as often as others. Like for example, like when they're like, when they talk about a topic, but they don't actually talk about it because like they either are scared to or don't want to offend somebody. So they'd be like talking in code and ****. And it's like, dude, I'm not in your group chat. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. And you're talking about this for 10 minutes. What is going on here?

[00:05:16]Darius: Bomani used to do that. He would use the like elevator music. He would be like, he would have a guest on, like me and you were on. And let's just say there was like an inside bar joke we wanted to tell. Actually, now that I'm talking about, we probably have done this actually. But he will like be like, I can't tell the listener about this. And he'll like, obviously talk about like we're talking about it, but he'll have his producer edited with like elevator waiting music on it.

[00:05:43]Jordan: Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[00:05:44]Darius: And I'm just like, you could have just cut all of this. Like I don't need. Just cut it out the show. Just cut it out the show. Like why do you need to, it's this childish, I know something you don't know **** that I ******* hate.

[00:05:54]Jordan: Like they do that, like they do it on the button pod where they'll be like, yeah, so that thing with, because, and also, and then they, and we don't want to get, and it's like, dude, Am I having a stroke? Am I listening to a podcast right now? I don't know what the hell's happening.

[00:06:08]Darius: Yeah, like obviously every podcast edits things out. We edit plenty out, but you're supposed to make the audience feel included in the conversation. I hate, there's this, is very niche. There's a sports media podcaster that I listen to. His name is Richard Dych. And his lead in questions, Dan Levitar does this too. their questions are so long that they're not even questions by the time they get to the end of it.

[00:06:39]Jordan: It's just an observation.

[00:06:40]Darius: And you can tell the interview subject is just like, okay, I'm just going to talk because there's no question in there. One time, I think it was Who did the who played Noah in that Noah's Ark movie like 15 years ago?

[00:06:56]Jordan: Russell Crowe.

[00:06:56]Darius: Yeah, he was interviewing him and he had this like long *** 90 second preamble. And Russell Crowe was just like, I'm sorry, was that a question? I guess no one had ever done that today before.

[00:07:11]Jordan: And yeah, because Russell Crowe is like notoriously not with the ********. He very much doesn't give a ****.

[00:07:18]Darius: I hate. Questions that aren't questions. As an interview, we keep your questions tight, 15 seconds. Anything more than that, you're just leading them to an answer. You're not asking them a question. Obviously, everybody's got to pay bills. I'm not mad at ads. But if you start your podcast with five straight minutes of ads and I have to fast forward 10 times to get to before I even hear your voice.

[00:07:46]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:07:47]Darius: That's a tough sell. You need to even like a sitcom. You get that quick two-minute before the show start. Like, yeah, the cold open, cold open 2 minutes. Go, go pay some bills. Come back, give me the show. Right. The first thing I should hear should be your voice when I hit a podcast, when I hit play.

[00:08:04]Jordan: For sure.

[00:08:05]Darius: Obviously, you got to make your money. I'm not mad at that. You're not charging me a dime for this. I get it. But the first thing I should hear should be your voice. Then go to ads. Then go back, then go do your show. Like don't start when I hit play. It should not, it should be your voice. It shouldn't be an ad off the rim.

[00:08:21]Jordan: Yeah, that's a good one. I think that's why a lot of people kind of stop ******* with, or a lot of people complain about that with like the Gillian Wallow pod. I mean, dollars worth the game where they'll be like random ads in the middle of the interview and then halfway through the episode, it's like a whole other interview. Like it just, it's spliced very oddly. It's not very organized in the way it's edited. That's a common complaint for that pod. The one thing I really hate is like if you say if I just bring a topic on you and you haven't seen a show or movie and I'm just like making a reference to something that that's understandable because that's like happens in normal conversation. But if we have we have our pre-production meeting and I bring I bring up this topic that I know none of you like that you didn't watch. Like what good does that do anybody? Like they'll be on podcast and be like yo did everybody see the show? Is everybody caught up on the show? People are like, no, I started, I'm 2 episodes in. Okay, no, I didn't really finish it. I haven't gotten to it. Why the **** are you talking about it? Yeah, it's like if it's six people in the podcast and two people watched it, what's the point of having the conversation?

[00:09:23]Darius: It depends. Like, okay, so TV shows are tough because you don't want to spoil anything. And so, but like an album.

[00:09:33]Jordan: Yeah, let's say an album. And you designated that you're gonna talk about this?

[00:09:39]Darius: Okay, yeah, then that's just being unprepared. But we have a segment that we haven't been to in a while because we have had other things to talk about where there's like an album discussion.

[00:09:49]Jordan: Correct.

[00:09:50]Darius: And we would not have that segment if both of us had listened to the whole album.

[00:09:53]Jordan: Right, correct.

[00:09:54]Darius: But if a new album drops, And we need some filler and you may have only listened to half of it. All right. that's a different conversation. And also, like if there's something that hasn't been pre-flighted and we get into it and it's just not working because one of us didn't do the whatever or we didn't have it pre-flighted or weren't prepared, we could just cut it. We wouldn't.

[00:10:16]Jordan: Yeah. I feel like it's okay. A lot of podcasters don't know like it's okay to edit ****. Like you don't have to, it doesn't have to be 4 hours long. You can take that 30 minutes out where it's just filler ********. Like it's okay. It's fine.

[00:10:30]Darius: Also, now this is part of my fault because I listen to 1.5x. If everyone's talking, obviously the flow of a conversation, sometimes people are going to be talking at the same time. But if it's just, if it sounds like a cookout at my cousin's house and it's just screaming back and forth, I understand that's for everybody. That's not for me. It's just not for me. I understand people like that. A lot of very popular podcasts are like that. It's just not for me. I need I need to hear one voice at a time.

[00:10:58]Jordan: Right. I get you. That can be a lot. Yeah, I get that. There's certain podcasts where I don't even listen to them, like just audio. I have to watch them because otherwise I won't know what the hell is going on. I won't know who's talking. I won't know what point they're trying to make if they're doing a lot of hand gestures or if they're, you know, some podcasts just, they're just made to be watched and that's just kind of how they operate. Like I find that with like Ghost Arena, I would never just listen to an audio of that show because it's six people screaming. Half of them are drunk, but they have a point of the show. You know what I mean?

[00:11:29]Darius: Half of them drunk, half of them indicted. Oh, the other one for me is ****. I lost my train of thought. What was I going to complain about? Yeah, I lost my train of thought.

[00:11:43]Jordan: But let me see if I got another talking over each other. Not on the subject. I mean, it's pretty much it for me. I mean, honestly, I mean, I think like Or when they don't have accurate timestamps.

[00:11:56]Darius: No. Oh, well, that's just to sell you ads. Yeah.

[00:12:00]Jordan: Good point. Good point.

[00:12:03]Darius: That might be us one day. But oh, that's the thing. Every single show within the first 30 seconds, everyone on the podcast should identify who they are. So I can match your voice with the name. You cannot assume.

[00:12:18]Jordan: That we all know who you are.

[00:12:19]Darius: I don't care if you've done a thousand episodes. To someone out there, that's the first episode. And if you just hit play and people start talking, it's very difficult to follow. So at the beginning, I don't care if it's a prerecorded drop. At the beginning of every episode, you need to identify who you are and what you do and your name and all that good stuff.

[00:12:40]Jordan: That's a good point.

[00:12:42]Darius: Also, if you're discussing a book or some other piece of media, do the host, I'm sorry, do the interviewer a solid and put a link to their stuff in the notes. Right. They would greatly appreciate that free plug. Because there's plenty of times I'll listen to a podcast and it'll be like, you know, some academic wrote a book. And then like you're listening, but like you get the title, but the title's announced at the beginning, but the interview's an hour long. So at the end, Right. It's really nice to just, there's a link in there, text on Amazon, I can add it to my list. Correct. Versus having to start it over, find the name, write the name down, put it in the search list. It's just make it easier for me to buy the damn thing.

[00:13:21]Jordan: Yeah, that's a good one too. Yeah, I appreciate Jay Shetty's pod. He does that. I was listening to his pod a couple, I listen to it pretty regularly, but I was listening to it a couple weeks ago and there was a creative on there. She was talking about like just the creative process and kind of writer's block and getting over that whole think of I need to write X style of pages a day and that sort of thing. And it's just like about the journey of getting out of your own way, just writing to write and getting in the habit of doing it on a regular basis. And thank God that she named the title of the book throughout. And then there was a link for the book in the description.

[00:13:57]Darius: Yeah, man, just make it. reduce the friction, right? And so that's not, honestly, that's probably like production and engineers and things like that.

[00:14:07]Jordan: That's true too.

[00:14:08]Darius: Podcast ends, I'm getting, you know, getting ready, because I don't listen to the last minute of y'all saying goodbye. So I'm getting ready to hit pause, go to my next one. I want to hit the detail button on my app and hit a link to the thing and have it take me there. And that's the other thing too. If you're selling a book, I understand why you do this. Nobody is using that independent bookstore link, link to Amazon like a normal person. I'm not.

[00:14:37]Jordan: I'm not. I'm sorry.

[00:14:39]Darius: They're just going to go to Amazon. I respect it.

[00:14:42]Jordan: I respect it in my neighborhood or if it's in Raleigh, I'll try to support, you know what I mean?

[00:14:48]Darius: But yeah, I can't even get you that. I'm buying my books. I'm on Kindle, man. I'm not buying. I don't. I have. 300 plus books in my Kindle library.

[00:14:59]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:14:59]Darius: Where the **** would I put that in this apartment?

[00:15:01]Jordan: That is true. That's true. So I'm weird. I sometimes get the physical copy and I'll do the digital. Just so I can have both if I want to switch off and kind of, you know. And then if I like I have Audible too and I do the, have the membership. So I get a free credit every month and I was got in the habit of buying really, really long books. So they take me a long time to get through. So I was like stocked up credits. So I can just use those sometimes to do that and that way I can kind of do both. And then if you have Kindle and Audible, they link with each other and like say I read to page 53 on the Audible or on the Kindle and I listen to page 150 on the Audible. It'll give me the option when I go back to the Kindle to click over to 153 to pick up where I left off, which is dope.

[00:15:44]Darius: Yeah. Anyone who's actually gone digital. especially when you're traveling, because I'm going back home in 2 weeks, 2 1/2 weeks. And I can just throw my Kindle in my carry-on book bag. And that's my whole library. I don't have to predict that too. And I don't have to predict what I think I'll feel like reading in the hotel room. You know, like, I will just have everything. And also like the highlights you make go to an app. And so like, If you want to recall something that you read and you highlighted it, it's like having your entire library's bookmarks on an app. That's dope.

[00:16:23]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:16:24]Darius: So, you know.

[00:16:25]Jordan: That's true. Although also, I do, I really love bookstores, so I still try to keep those alive in my small way. And I do like those little, like, I don't know what they're called, but they're like random like mailboxes with books in them that you can kind of just take them home.

[00:16:38]Darius: Yeah.

[00:16:39]Jordan: I found a couple of those over the last year or two. I always try to grab some whenever I see those. pretty dope and seems like a really cool, like hipster thing to do. So I'll cop some of those every once in a while when I'm out in the wild.

[00:16:51]Darius: Be careful, you black and you take your **** out-of-the-box. The boys be out there.

[00:17:00]Jordan: Speaking of black.

[00:17:01]Darius: So I was listening to a Washington Post podcast this morning and they were talking about the the organization was called Blexit. And I guess it's like, I guess that's a word for like black exit from basically it's a group of conservative black people. They've been during HBCU homecomings. They've been on campus, basically for lack of a better word, like any political organization. That's what political organizations do.

[00:17:37]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:17:38]Darius: And the podcast was like, people on campus were objecting to their mere presence being there. And all I wanted to say is that that's a losing hand. You beat them with your own ideas. You don't bar them from campus. That's right. You know, first of all, I think the HBCU campus in question was Howard University. Howard University is not an outlet for the Democratic National Convention. They are an academic institution and they have conservatives there. They have liberals there of all stripes. And you can't just say this campus is for one political party. I don't think that's legal, to be honest. And 2, If you are confident in your ideas, you defend them. And you don't care if other people are there also exposing their ideas. And to me, it sort of reflected a lack of confidence. If you just like, and honestly, they were interviewing, I don't like this whole thing of like interviewing college kids and like putting them on a podcast and publishing them. And it's like.

[00:18:43]Jordan: First of all, they're children and who knows what they're actually going to believe in three years?

[00:18:46]Darius: Correct. I mean, good Lord. I mean, I'm so glad I don't have a microphone and a Instagram when I was 19 years old. I didn't go through my first breakup until I was like 22. Oh my God, I'm so glad I wasn't on the internet at that time.

[00:18:59]Jordan: Yeah, no, same, same, same.

[00:19:03]Darius: Man, it was just like, so there was an element of, this is an academic institution and ideas are welcome here. But there was also an element of almost like, cancellation where why are they allowed on this campus and da da da da. And it's like, well, one, black conservatives are a real thing. I don't, and some of them are serious and some of them are clowns. But as a card carrying normie center left I'm confident in my ideas and I will argue with the black conservative about my ideas because I believe in them and I don't it's not that I don't want them like bring your ideas and bring mine and whatever kids listen can make the choice. Right. So you have anything to add to that? I just kind of gave you a monologue. I don't have a question. Good speech.

[00:19:59]Jordan: Yeah, I mean, I think there has to be, I think college is the ultimate space for multiple, no pun intended, schools of thought. You know, that's where you learn how to disagree with people, how to find new information, how to learn things, how to socialize. I think disagreeing is a big part of socialization. I think conflict resolution is a big part of socialization. And also, like, I am an HBCU grad, Aggie Pride. And so, I remember I majored in poli sci. So we had arguments all day long. That's all we did was argue and, debate and research and read and write papers and stuff.

[00:20:36]Darius: That's what college is.

[00:20:37]Jordan: Right. And I remember, like, there are people now who are kids that I went to school with who have gone on to, they're doing, you know, public service work and community organizer work and things of that nature. And I remember some of the **** they said freshman year before they I hate to use this term, but we talk about, radicalize, if you will. I remember some of the **** they were saying. You know what I mean? I remember thinking they were ***** and they changed their mind and they were exposed to certain things and they, got new information. They were exposed to a brighter world and kind of realized it wasn't, life is not a Fox News talking point. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's important to have people I think it's important that people be exposed to people. Now, if you're being harmful and you have genuinely harmful and dangerous rhetoric, that's another conversation. I just don't think words can be dangerous. Well, I wouldn't say that. I think words can be dangerous. I think everything that's ever been dangerous in this world started off with words.

[00:21:39]Darius: Fair.

[00:21:41]Jordan: Words lead to thoughts, thoughts lead to action. So I would say that.

[00:21:45]Darius: I just say beat them.

[00:21:47]Jordan: I mean, that's fair. But I mean, I think college is the place for that. So, and we will be honest here, HBCUs, some of them professors were not, quote unquote, the wokest. Some of them professors were not the most pro-black. Some of them professors were very much anti-black or very much elitist or very much classist, so on and so forth. So to pretend like HBCUs are this haven of progressivism. Yeah, or tolerant virtue is a bit disingenuous. And I mean, I had an incident where I had an encounter with someone of a different race, but who was super duper racist in my neighborhood. And I went on to find out that person was a professor at an HBCU. So, you know.

[00:22:32]Darius: No, the thing is, that one, A lot of, it's like, I'll never forget, we had a conversation on here with the coats in the Ezra Klein podcast and how dismissive and yada yada he was about the concept of black conservatism and about Trump's share of the black vote increasing from 2020 to 24. And there's a strain of progressivism that just likes to pretend that black conservatives are all like Candace Owen clowns.

[00:22:59]Jordan: Yeah, that's true.

[00:23:01]Darius: And that is no. principled, intelligent, high-level black conservatism. Notice I did not say black Republicans, because a lot of black conservatives still vote Democrats because that is very true. Years allegiance to the party. And so it just, it just sounds, they just sound like, again, black conservatives are a real thing. I mean, if you go watch Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, season one, unfulfilled, not last season unfulfilled.

[00:23:29]Jordan: Carlton, season one, season 2, Carlton.

[00:23:34]Darius: They did. They totally rewrote Uncle Phil. Go by season one.

[00:23:40]Jordan: They totally rewrote him after that. I finished Will's book about a week or two ago. ******* phenomenal book, by the way. And he talked about that. They had where they literally just scrapped season one and had to start from scratch because it just

[00:23:55]Darius: Correct.

[00:23:58]Jordan: Yeah. They had to, they didn't really have everything fleshed out. They had the actors cast, but they didn't know what they wanted to do with the roles and what the chemistry was going to be like. So they had to rewrite everything because they realized like Will and Carlton was the magic of the show. So they had to reconfigure everything.

[00:24:11]Darius: There's an episode of season one and there's a scene He's like having an orgasm.

[00:24:21]Jordan: Yeah. He's like, oh, yes.

[00:24:22]Darius: Who the **** are these guys? It's so crazy because I only watched it in syndication because I was, I think it was on the air from like 92 to 96.

[00:24:33]Jordan: And I'm 90 to 96.

[00:24:34]Darius: Yeah. Like, so I'm 2 through 8. And so I'm watching this syndication. If I watch it at all, I don't remember it. So all of my experience was a syndication. And you watch the later episodes because there's a lot more of them. And then how basically this is before I'm going to date myself before streaming when you can just watch whatever episode. Right. You watch them in chronological order. In order, yes. And then the last episode and then the next episode will be season one episode on the pilot. And I'm just like, Uncle Phil's a totally different character.

[00:25:02]Jordan: Yeah, he was.

[00:25:04]Darius: So I mean, I just. College campuses are not an extension of the Democratic National Convention. And that's the place for argument. That's the place for debate. And when you try to, instead of beating your opponent and beating them at the act on the merits, on the ideas, and you try to shun them from the public spare sphere, that's how you create Candace Owens. That's how you create Daniel Cameron. Yeah, I think there's just amongst themselves.

[00:25:34]Jordan: Right. I think ostracization is not. I'll say some people should be ostracized, but I'm talking about in extreme cases, you know what I mean? I'm not saying, they want, their taxes done differently, things of that nature. They don't care about foreign relations. Put them off the spirit of the earth, you know? So yeah, I think there's a middle ground and there's a fine line between respectable disagreements and like, abetting bigotry, you know what I mean? It's one thing if it's like they're pro, I don't know, pro-white nationalists, or if they're an apologist for hate groups, or if they align with certain organizations.

[00:26:22]Darius: I would just give you examples like socially conservative black religious people that go to Baptist churches. They're Democrats, they are not progressives.

[00:26:35]Jordan: Yes, exactly.

[00:26:37]Darius: Black small business owners, black landlords, rap music. Rap music is conservative sale. I've said this performance podcast.

[00:26:44]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:26:44]Darius: Some of the professors. You know, Jackie Robinson was a Republican until the Civil Rights Act passed. Miles Davis campaigned for Richard Nixon. James Brown was a Republican. This is not these, you know.

[00:26:57]Jordan: Well, remember that the parties were switched. We got to I mean,

[00:27:02]Darius: well, the principles of conservatism were there.

[00:27:05]Jordan: fair, fair.

[00:27:06]Darius: The parties.

[00:27:07]Jordan: People like to throw that around. Oh, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. It's like, okay, no, that's not the same.

[00:27:11]Darius: Well, 1860s and 1950s are, that's 100 years. I know, I'm just,

[00:27:17]Jordan: I just get tired of people using those ******* talking points.

[00:27:20]Darius: The parties as we knew them kind of cemented in place at the FDR in the New Deal. And so those are kind of, and then the Civil Rights Act was when the party sort of race sorted in a way. But no, it's not these people, they're numerous and you should have a conversation with. You want to talk about these Oscars?

[00:27:43]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:27:44]Darius: What happened? What's up? I'm blind here.

[00:27:48]Jordan: So there was the Governor's Awards to play Saturday night. It's It's a faction of the Oscars. So they give an honorary Oscars to Tom Cruise, Debbie Allen, and Wynn Thomas. I'm not super familiar with Wynn Thomas, so I do apologize. But Dolly Parton, wow, Dolly Parton also was given an honorary award.

[00:28:07]Darius: She's still with us.

[00:28:09]Jordan: She's still here. Yeah, she's still here with a humanitarian award, which also comes with a honorary Oscar statue. So I just thought it was interesting. I didn't realize it, but the honorary Oscars are not televised. And I just think it's insane to have the one of literally the biggest movie stars to ever grace the screen, win an Oscar and no one see it. I don't, I just think that's like anti-movie and anti-cinema.

[00:28:33]Darius: What did he win the Oscar for?

[00:28:36]Jordan: It's essentially like a lifetime achievement award in a sense. Just for everything he's done for cinema, obviously, you know, he revolutionized press tours and went from just doing national press tours to going overseas and stuff like that, which helped a lot of the global film market and a lot of the big chunks we see today are a result of that. Him and Will Smith both kind of put in the market on that.

[00:29:04]Darius: One could argue Top Gun Mavericks saved movie theaters coming out of culture. No, it did.

[00:29:08]Jordan: It literally did.

[00:29:09]Darius: And it got me back in the theater.

[00:29:11]Jordan: 100% even in people should have Marvel movies, but Marvel during those movies kept movie theaters allowed. They kept a lot of people employed.

[00:29:19]Darius: The one thing that Tom Cruise had over Marvel movies is that Top Gun Maverick was good. Top Gun Maverick was fantastic.

[00:29:25]Jordan: And I'm looking forward to Top Gun 3. I will be in, I'm locked in.

[00:29:29]Darius: Yeah, that's the one that for sure. My favorite thing about Top Gun Maverick is that The bad guy isn't even identified. It's just like.

[00:29:39]Jordan: It's just like a country.

[00:29:40]Darius: It's like we're going to bomb a country and it's 2 hours long and I never get bored.

[00:29:46]Jordan: And you never see their faces.

[00:29:48]Darius: No, it's well, that's for political reasons. They got to sell the movie in China.

[00:29:52]Jordan: Well, true. That's true.

[00:29:54]Darius: So let me ask you this.

[00:29:55]Jordan: Yeah.

[00:29:56]Darius: The honorary Oscar is the unspoken thing is that the movies he makes don't usually win Oscars because the Oscar is full of like fufu people. Right. Would you solve this problem by making the Oscars more inclusive of like blockbuster Tom Cruise movies, or would you give a category for his type of movies? And what would you call that category? I know I'm kind of springing this on you, but.

[00:30:19]Jordan: No, you're good. So, okay, so yeah, I would do a category for those movies. I mean, even think about it, we have actor and actress. How does gender play a role in acting? I mean, not obviously to change the roles people play, but you get what I'm saying. It's the same skill set. So why can't they do that for more genres? They have animated short, but they don't have best action movie. They don't, you know, to me, there should be a category for that.

[00:30:44]Darius: Well, they gendered the awards because if they did, men would just win them all. That's true. Yeah, that's fair. I understand why they're hesitant to just give every, because then everyone would, it would, it would, it would, it'd be like the NBA Hall of Fame where everyone's in it.

[00:31:01]Jordan: Everyone gets in it.

[00:31:02]Darius: But I do think there's clearly like everyone kind of instinctively understands the difference between a summer blockbuster and an Oscar Bate movie. Right. But I can't find the way I articulated in the award form. And so Yeah, you can't really do sound effects because you're not really crediting.

[00:31:27]Jordan: R