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[00:00:01]DariusPeople don't understand supply and demand dynamics. It's like when you go see, Drake or Megan Stallion in Charlotte, you're competing with the people in Charlotte who want to see them that night, right? Someone like Stevie Wonder on a last run at Madison Square Garden, you're competing with people who want to fly. So you're competing with Everyone in the world with money who wants to see Stevie Wonder?
[00:00:25]JordanYes.
[00:00:26]DariusDon't even open the link on your phone unless your money is right. You wasting, you ************. You're not getting in that building for less than $1,000. You not parking your car for less than $1,000?
[00:00:38]JordanFor less than $100. Yeah.
[00:00:41]DariusWelcome to Out the Trunk with Jordan and Darius. I'm Darius. That's Steve's I love the area on all socials.
[00:00:46]JordanAnd I'm Jordan. That's Jordan B riding on all socials.
[00:00:50]DariusThis is our segment we've titled What's On Our Mind, kind of our pop culture conversational segment where we let you guys know what's on our mind. Normally, I start off with a warm up question, but I don't have anything today. So we're tossing it to my trusty co-host with the opener. So what you got?
[00:01:07]JordanYes, I was going on Twitter yesterday, you know, just bored throughout the course of the day. And this girl made a tweet went viral. She was like, Yeah, but my post do 250 likes. I'm like, I know my stories get 250 likes. That's why I know I took like a really nice picture or something like that. And this guy was like, all the guys were like, what the ****? Like, it was like, we live in a totally different world because dudes were like, bro, if I get 10 likes, I'm a sex symbol. Yeah.
[00:01:35]DariusI don't have 250 followers. So I. I would, okay, so I don't care about likes, but I would be lying if I say I didn't notice when some photos get more likes than others.
[00:01:54]JordanRight.
[00:01:54]DariusBut 250, I would think, I think, I would think my phone was like glitching. I don't even know. Yeah. Women do live in an alternate universe because only two.
[00:02:07]JordanI put no autographs, please.
[00:02:09]DariusYeah. Okay. Is she like a celeb or something or just like a regular woman?
[00:02:15]JordanNo, I was just like a regular girl.
[00:02:16]Darius250. That's that's a lot.
[00:02:20]JordanAnd then this one girl quoted it with the guy. The guy was like, what? And this girl was like, dang, that's crazy. You don't even get 10 likes for like a fresh cut.
[00:02:31]DariusThe most likes I've ever gotten. I that wasn't my cat. So that doesn't count. That's cheating.
[00:02:40]JordanRight.
[00:02:41]DariusI posted a selfie for the first time in a long time in a red shirt a couple of weeks ago, and I think it hit 11. So that is my record. And I just don't I don't I don't care. It's hard to like it's all right. You're on Instagram. So a part of you does care. Like, I'm not going to be that person who says, like, you don't care at all. Why do you care? I don't I really don't. But I think I like the slice of the internet that I've carved for myself where I'm only interacting with people who have met me in real life. Or if not met me in real life or know me in real life, we go back so many years through so many different channels. It's like I know them. Or if I pulled up in their city, we'd meet for a beer or something. I don't understand the regular people who have 10,000 followers from an unlocked account and just deal with strangers in their mentions all day at work. If it's not my job to deal with strangers in my mentions, I don't think I'd ever want to do it for free.
[00:03:51]JordanI get that. Yeah, it's funny because like you think you want to go viral and for certain things or whatever, if I post like a poem, I want that to go viral, obviously, or, I want our podcast **** to go viral clearly. But, I have like viral comments on posts and ****. And I'm like, I'm still getting likes in them from like six months ago, a year ago. And it's like, okay, don't stop like notifying me that it got a like on that. You know what I mean?
[00:04:13]DariusI don't even comment on other people's IG. I will bookmark and like them, but like comment I just, not that I feel like I'm above it. I just, I'm not native to socials that way. It came after I was an adult. So like a lot of the customs and norms of it aren't ingrained. Like I just don't comment. I will like in bookmark stuff though. I have a robust list of bookmarks and I like things, but yeah, that it shows people what you like. I'm a bit more judicious about what I like. By a bit, I mean a lot. I tweeted the other day that one of the best decisions I ever made for my attention span was never downloading TikTok. And again, that's not like a I'm better than people think. It's just that at 38, like I said, like the last social I'm going to download is Snapchat. Like I'm done learning new social media apps. And so TikTok came after Snapchat. So that was it. And even Snapchat, I don't use that ****.
[00:05:14]JordanRight.
[00:05:16]DariusYeah, I don't use it to post. I'll put it that way. I use it because the messages disappear.
[00:05:24]JordanRight, for sure. Yeah, we use it for the disappearing feature, for sure. Yeah, it's perfect for weekends. It's great for weekends. Yeah, somebody was like, yeah, I mean, it's funny the way people like focus so much on likes and like, and it can get in your head, of course, for sure. Like if you post something and it doesn't get like a lot of interaction that may make you not post as much. I hear people say that a lot with Instagram in particular, because especially the way the algorithm works now, it's like all ads, you don't really see your friends on there anymore for whatever reason and **** you know, that's a factor too.
[00:05:58]DariusSo are you so when people say they post something and it doesn't get engagement and they get disappointed, where's that coming from?
[00:06:09]JordanLike psychologically.
[00:06:10]DariusYeah. So like, Okay, so if you post, okay, if you post a fresh cut selfie and it just throws up bricks, okay, I understand how that would feel away. But like, I see people like repost a GIF that they saw and I'm like, what am I okay? If you, if I don't, what engagement are you looking for that? Like, you know.
[00:06:30]JordanYeah, no, I get you. Yeah, I think like if it's something that you made, like something original, then you, I would, I have definitely been like, oh, that's weird. I thought that would get more engagement, whatever, for sure. If it's just some, like a lot of my story posts are not things that I made, I'm like posting something. So I don't care if that gives engagement, whatever, you know. So I mean, I think it depends. I think most people care if it's something personal to them that they're posting as opposed to just some random ****. I think part of the thing with Instagram is now that like, it used to be like we post Like 10 years ago, Instagram was like from memes and random ****. Oh, I drank coffee today or I saw a bird, whatever, and now I'm also like, it has to be like a big event for you to, for you to post now, almost, you feel like it almost has to be like a, the internet kind of makes you think it just by comparison, once you see other people post, I guess it can seep into your mind where you're like, well, I don't have a new baby. I didn't buy a house and I didn't buy a new car today. So I guess I shouldn't post anything on Instagram. You know what I mean?
[00:07:33]DariusI have noticed that the camera Instagram was more interesting when the camera faced outward, when people were showing the things that their world. And now the cameras flipped inward. Inward, not inward. I think it's it's it's a selfies like them rambling in their cars. Yeah. And I just don't I'm not into that as much. I do. I do like what people so I'm big on On my stories, I don't do a lot of reposting other stuff because I feel like people follow me for me. And so, I will share reels that I find particularly funny with certain people, but. Sure. Yeah, I don't know. Like I posted the nine album thing **** yesterday. I hate to date the pod. And like a lot of people like responded to that with like genuine engagement. And one, a couple of people asked me where to find the link to do it and ended up posting theirs. And so like, that was actually like a fun engagement. So I just try to post.
[00:08:39]JordanYeah, those are fun. I like those.
[00:08:42]DariusYou know, if it's not things that I'm doing, it's like a get to know me type thing. So I find that To keep the essence of what Instagram is supposed to be, So I was super late to IG, man. I didn't. I didn't start posting. Until I ****. 2020, 20. Like, I think COVID made me start posting on Instagram. Yeah, it's crazy. I had an account, but I like. Yeah, I mean, I would post. very rarely, or I would post exclusively behind close friends. Like I didn't really start posting like regular, degular stuff to my stories until I would say COVID. Like I'm a super late adopter to socials, man. Like my first, the first cell phone I owned, I was 17, my 17th birthday. So it's like, you know, I'm not a native.
[00:09:34]JordanYeah. I was like 17 when I got my first cell phone, you know, so yeah, I'm kind of similar to that. I think on Instagram, I got on Instagram and I was in college, maybe like 2013, 2014, something like that. But that's when it was like just memes and **** and like, you know, silly stuff. It's to the point where I remember like that started like when I was like meeting people out, whatever they'd be like, you know, for me to grow, they go through Instagram and ****. And they would tell me like, you need to post yourself more because if I didn't know you in real life, I would think you were like a bot or a catfish, because it was just like my feet was like all memes. And so I started like, okay, I'll post myself more. I guess that makes sense. It does look a little odd, I guess. You know, so yeah, I'm with you because I never really knew exactly what to use Instagram for, I guess, because it's so It can be anything, you know, it's not like, and it was before content became content and it was before it was niches, niches and oh, I'm on this side of Instagram and so on and so forth, you know, all the algorithms and stuff started to take over.
[00:10:35]DariusYeah, I'm still. I don't ask, we exchange numbers with women. We don't really do the exchanging Instagram thing. So if, I mean, I'm certain like someone I talk to would like scroll my Instagram, but.
[00:10:48]JordanI. Oh no, like they would get my number and then you've come up with a follow suggestion and then they would go through and.
[00:10:54]DariusYeah. I mean, I'm certain it's happened and they just never told me. But like the idea that like, I would meet a woman and the next thing I would do would just like scroll her Instagram. You know, it's not really. I'm lying. I have done that, but know it's not.
[00:11:10]JordanThey're about to say, well, come on man.
[00:11:13]DariusI have done that. If for no other reason than to check the recency of the photos. So.
[00:11:19]JordanYes.
[00:11:20]DariusYou know, so it's.
[00:11:24]JordanOr if you were fated when you met, you kind of want to make sure, you know.
[00:11:27]DariusI do. I try to limit my screen time these days, but I don't really hit the for you page and just like scroll the endless reels because I just find so much of that stuff original. I just really just I'm on there to look at people's stories and beyond that, I know a lot of people who use IG almost like television. They're just like watching the reels of randoms for you page. And it's just the same 7.
[00:11:59]JordanTrends.
[00:11:59]DariusTrends over and over and over again. Okay, so while we're here, what is supposed to be funny about the Quavo takeoff thing?
[00:12:06]JordanIt's nothing. is funny about it. Nothing. Not a single thing is funny about it. None of them were funny. The first one or two were like kind of cute, but then everybody started doing it. I was like, okay, bro. Like also the song is the video came out what, five years ago? Four, three, four years ago? Like what?
[00:12:19]DariusYeah.
[00:12:20]JordanI don't know. I don't. I don't find it funny or original. And also you're wasting water. So can you stop, please?
[00:12:28]DariusWell, so that's a bit that's a bit debunked. Data centers don't really use more water than any other industrial building, but. But they're still using water. I mean, so am I, you know, like what you need it.
[00:12:44]JordanFake Quavo does not.
[00:12:46]DariusYeah. So. Okay. Beyond, I don't even care if it's just because a lot of people are saying it's distasteful because Takeoff died. And I'm like, Takeoff is a public figure. We make fun of dead celebrities all the time. You know, he's not a private citizen.
[00:13:00]JordanThey're not making fun of him. They're just doing the right.
[00:13:03]DariusBut people are like, it's like, I understand why Quavo might feel away, but I understand why regular people feel away. Takeoff, like, you know, he was a celebrity. He was a public figure. He was known for 10 plus years. He wasn't some obscure random rapper. But I just scrolling through thought people were like writing their own raps to it and doing their own things. And then I found out it's literally just them mapping their face onto it and doing the same exact mechanisms. And I just don't get it.
[00:13:31]JordanIt's like facial replacement, basically. Like they do in movies. Yeah. It's not for me. I'm not the demographic, I guess. I feel like the older Like the 35 and up crowd on Facebook seemed to really get a kick out of it from what I've seen.
[00:13:47]DariusOh, Speedy Morbin.
[00:13:47]JordanThe Four Loco crowd, I feel like it's for them.
[00:13:50]DariusYeah, Speedy, he posted a video, he was like, how y'all expect us to react when y'all post the take off thing. He's like, oh my God, wow. You know what it is? It's literally just the same ******* thing.
[00:14:07]JordanIt's the equivalent of when little kids are like, you want to see something cool and they just fall down.
[00:14:14]DariusIt's like, yeah, you're right though. It is like old people showing us they know how to use AI now.
[00:14:21]JordanLook at me, look what I can do. it was like it was like when they did the trend like 2 weeks ago where it was what I would have looked like in the 80s. everybody did the AI with the windbreakers and ****. Also, it's funny because there are people who were I know who were alive in the 80s who used AI. And it's like, you can just post a throwback because you know, you didn't look like that in the 80s.
[00:14:39]DariusYeah. So like, at least that is like interesting, right? It's a different.
[00:14:44]JordanIt was fun.
[00:14:45]DariusIt was fun. It was interesting. I understand why someone's I don't object to people using like All technology uses energy and the idea that like you're going to shame people out of using, something that's useful because it's bad for the environment. Okay. I honestly nobody. I see one electric car per 1000 vehicles. Per right. And they're not even expensive anymore. So yeah.
[00:15:09]JordanAlso like people are like, oh, don't use AI. And it's like, I do get it. And I do think there's element of that is scary. But like we use Siri every day.
[00:15:17]DariusYeah. And also just. It's like people think if they put their ear into la la la la, it'll just go away.
[00:15:24]JordanYeah.
[00:15:25]DariusYeah.
[00:15:25]JordanIt's like a valiant effort, but.
[00:15:30]DariusYou know. Also, to say there's no use for it is just wrong. And you can say like, I don't use it for creative things. I don't think, I think there's a, but like math and code and helping plan a vacation. I don't know why I would do that the hard way. I've made the joke on the pod before. Like, so you want me to go back to like, cooking over an open fire with sticks and stones too? Like, where does like, my stove uses fossil fuels. So what do we, well, my stove's electric now, but you get what I mean. Like it's, you know, you listen to some of these people and it's like, we still be driving cars with our feet if we let them run the world. It's like, so. You got anything else for that one?
[00:16:22]JordanNo, I just thought it was really, really funny. I'm like, honestly, it did give me like much more insight into like the things women go through, you know, because I imagine you just wake up first and you scroll Instagram to see what your friends posted or some **** whatever. And you just have 300 thirsty kind of like trying to bed you every day.
[00:16:43]DariusI have had a couple of homegirls show me their inboxes and it's a ******* war zone.
[00:16:47]JordanYeah, bro, it's nuts.
[00:16:48]DariusI mean, you know, I thought it was like people that over exaggerating.
[00:16:56]JordanYeah.
[00:16:57]DariusI mean.
[00:16:58]JordanMy sister told me some of the **** a guy said in her DMs one time and I'm like, he just opened up with that with you and you didn't know this guy like, yeah.
[00:17:08]DariusShoot your shot, but like, get it, can it like?
[00:17:11]JordanBe respectful, please.
[00:17:13]DariusKeep it in the balance of, you know, Jesus Christ, respectability, you know? Yeah, it's I remember one time I'll leave the friend out of it. She showed me her inbox on a dating app and it was most of the pictures would have to be blurred out if we put them on the pot like they're like it was nuts. Just like an ice cold, you know, I don't know who that like.
[00:17:41]JordanLike the kind of **** you need to take a shower after reading.
[00:17:44]DariusI was kind of mad that she didn't give me like a trigger warning.
[00:17:48]JordanOkay, ****.
[00:17:50]DariusI didn't want to see that to start my evening.
[00:17:52]JordanOh, oh, oh, got you, got you, got you.
[00:17:54]DariusYeah.
[00:17:54]JordanBut, you know, like to catch a predator, basically.
[00:17:58]DariusNot great, Bob. You know, shout out to Pete Campbell.
[00:18:02]JordanYeah. So it was crazy.
[00:18:04]DariusYeah. So last week on the pod, I made mention of an old saying called Chesterton's fence. Basically, if you see a fence in the middle of the field before you remove it, make sure you understand why that fence was there. And earlier today, I was thinking about how that applies to sports. And so I have a couple of answers, but I'm gonna start with you, man. So if you think about the way sports are changing with like the optimization for money and the optimization for winning, What are some ways sports are changing that you feel are impacting the core identity of the sport? And what are some core, some like load bearing pillars of sports that we're taking for granted and changing? And if we change, it could like change at your own peril, if you will. So that's a poorly worded question. So I'll just ask you straight up. I get what you're saying. What are some core changes to sports that you feel are load bearing?
[00:18:57]JordanOkay, I'd say. the second apron, I think is one thing that I really think is going to ruin, not ruin, but it's going to, like people are big loyalists, at least they pretend to be when it comes to sports. Like, oh, we want to see players jump around, move around. It's like, well, with these second apron, you're forcing organizations to make pay cuts or give or forcing the players to take care cuts, which they shouldn't have to do and don't want to do, and they have limited time to earn this maximum earning potential and leave off that for the next 50 years, you know, whatever. I think secondary is one thing for sure that's kind of ruining the period of the game. The days of, you know, guys playing, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, those guys playing 20 years for an organization, those days are over. And we love to blame it on certain players moving and **** like that, but the organizations are doing it and the owners are doing it too. They're fostering the environment as well. I think that's one thing for sure that is negatively impacting sports. I mean, the New York Knicks, they, their chance to have an honest shot at a repeat is probably done because they can't pay Carlton Townsend what he deserves to be paid. Like an $80 million pay cut is crazy, you know, especially after just what he just sacrificed and the way he played in those playoffs.
[00:20:06]DariusWell, quick interjection. They don't have to. They could pay him. Well, true. Right.
[00:20:11]JordanWell, that's the thing.
[00:20:12]DariusIt's like that's an important distinction to make. So I agree. I have on here players changing teams. for whatever reason it may be, I think fans by and large like to see the same characters in the movie come back. And even if the headlining players stay the same, if you think about those 90 bulls, Dennis Rodman was a key part of that story. Luke Longley was a key part of that story. Ron Harper was a key part of that story. If every year it was just Jordan Pippen and Tony Ku coach and then five new dudes from new teams, it wouldn't hit the same. You know, if I remember those Spurs teams, it was Bruce Bowen, it was Steven Daniel, Steven Jackson, Avery Johnson, it was Brent Berry. Yeah, and those I do. I think it matters. And I think that we part of it was kind of us to being obsessed with the transaction. And yeah, that's true. And then all these players changing teams and we kind of lost. Yeah, I agree to long story short of it is that I agree. I think there was a whole movement of people just like pushing player empowerment, player empowerment, player empowerment, and that's fine. don't get me wrong, but to act like there was, they spoke about it as if there was no downside. And there is downside when fans have no attachment to you. Like I've said this before on the pod, like Kevin Durant playing on seven different teams. That's the reason why no one likes him anymore. We sort of were told that these players choosing where they play and moving around is like, there's no drawbacks to it. And I don't think that's necessarily true. I think players staying in one place was a bit of a load bearing principle. And we have moved that fence. And I just don't know if we're going to like what's on the other side of it. There's like no, like the Knicks won their first championship in 40 something years. They're about to repeat in three weeks. Not even just that. They're about to repeat in three weeks. And what are we talking about? Contracts, aprons, and like you need an accounting degree to follow the lead.
[00:22:27]JordanExactly. It's like we've all low-key become capologists,
[00:22:31]Dariussports fans, because it's not why any of us got into this, you know. Yeah, it's like, you know, the superstar on the team is the GM now. And I just don't think that's why anyone got into sports. why are we talking about Karl-Anthony Townsend's salary on the eve of a, they're about to get their rings. They even gotten their rings yet. Like, you know, it's funny.
[00:22:53]JordanAnd who knows if he's even going to finish the year with the team, you know, who knows if there's going to be a trade coming if he demands a trade. Even I mean, the Thunder, we took about like Sam Preston and all those pictures and ****. It's like, yeah, it's incredible. But those guys aren't, they're not going to pay them what they're worth on those second contracts. So all those guys who hooped in the playoffs last year and the year before that, they have one or two more years together as a collective and that team's gonna look very different.
[00:23:17]DariusYeah, it's like I listen to a lot of NBA podcasts and when the season starts, the games are the game. But I just get so tired of talking about cap holds and this smack slide and 30% of this and I got trade
[00:23:31]Jordankickers and incentives and it's
[00:23:33]Dariusjust like, that's not why any of us got into this. And we just, it's a very lawyerly, it's like I have to be smart and numbers driven at work. When I go, oh, I want to watch a basketball game, man. And it's almost beside the point, you know, I have on here too many threes in that threes are like dessert. Like it's great, but it can't be your whole diet. And a lot of people struggle to make the distinction between optimal strategy and what's most entertaining. And I would never say shooting a bunch of threes is a bad strategy because it like 3 is 50% more than two. It's the right thing to do.
[00:24:17]JordanI just don't enjoy the shooters who are efficient.
[00:24:19]DariusYou don't have to. That's the thing about it. They like if you shoot 32% from three, it's still a better shot than a lot of twos.
[00:24:25]JordanIt's just three is so much 40 to.
[00:24:30]DariusThree is just so much more than two. You really don't like, and that's the thing. That's the what makes it so frustrating is that they're right. Like the math is rock solid on it. Like honestly, teams probably don't shoot enough mathematically.
[00:24:41]JordanTrue.
[00:24:42]DariusThat's why you have to make the distinction between if it's good math or if it's entertaining to watch. And I didn't get into basketball to watch one dude while four people stand around a three point line. I can't stand when there's a fast break. and they pull up to shoot a three, or you could tell that the guy with the ball in his hand is looking for an open three-point shooter and not attacking the basket, even though I understand that's the right thing to do.
[00:25:04]JordanTrue. And even some of that is a misnomer because, you know, we saw the Rockets go 0 for 27 from 3 and cost themselves a shot at possibly a title. You know, the words, yeah, they shot a lot of threes. Steph Curry's greatest shooter ever shot a lot of made a lot of threes, shot a lot of threes. But they also scored a lot of paint points. Steph Curry led the league or his top five and top 10 in his prime in paint points damn near every year. Like there's it wasn't like he was just jacking up threes and he was afraid to go into the paint. You know what I mean? Like there are people I think people are like, oh, Steph Curry changed the game, which he did, but he's an anomaly. He's there's not there's more than there's not just one him, you know what I mean? And people try to duplicate that and replicate that across league wide. And I think that's part of what has, caused the game to suffer a bit as well too, has become a three point shooting contest. And you have guys who shoot 30% from 30, taking five threes a game in the playoffs. Those are turnovers.
[00:25:51]DariusThat's the thing. It's like, even if like, let's say you shoot 30% from three and otherwise you would shoot, I don't know, 45% from two. It's still smarter to shoot a bunch of threes, but it's a lot more misses objectively. And so to the viewer, I'm just watching these dudes miss a lot of shots. And again, it's not really why we got, I can't remember, like when's the last player whose reputation was built on dunking on people?
[00:26:21]JordanLeBron. I think that's it.
[00:26:23]DariusRight, he's 41 years old. You know, and we've totally, that whole archetype, that whole Sean Kemp Vince Carter. I'm here to put your whole arm through the hoop. That player has been legislated out of the game.
[00:26:39]JordanCorrect.
[00:26:40]DariusAnd that was an entertaining player to watch.
[00:26:42]JordanRight.
[00:26:43]DariusAnd so now you see that.
[00:26:44]JordanLock City wouldn't exist today.
[00:26:45]DariusRight. Blake Griffin. Yeah, like Blake Griffin. If he came around drafted today, I don't know how impactful he would be because he couldn't shoot.
[00:26:54]JordanAnd so I don't want to live.
[00:26:58]DariusI just don't know if I want to live in a world where a player like Blake Griffin isn't impactful. Right. And so baseball did a really good job of it. So baseball. the math got a hold of it first. And so baseball was more or less like a solved puzzle for a while because you had so much data on where the batters hit the ball that the defense could just put the hitters, I mean the defenders, where the ball is going to go.
[00:27:22]JordanWhere they're going to hit it.
[00:27:23]DariusAnd you could literally predict, oh, this guy hits it here 40% of the time, so I'm going to move my players here. And so there were no balls in play. You know, every at bat was a strikeout or a home run. No one ever stole bases because the math says that's bad because you rather just, the out is more important than the extra base. And so what they do, they wouldn't change the rules. They ban the shift. They're like, okay, I understand it's mathematically important, but it's my job as a commissioner to make sure that my product is entertaining. And so I don't blame the teams because it's their job to win football or win basketball games. It's on the league to adjust the rules so that the The product is entertaining. And so you have anything else for that one?
[00:28:12]JordanI think here. What are some we take for granted? Losing. I think we take losing for granted.
[00:28:21]DariusOkay.
[00:28:23]JordanLike championships are important and championships matter. But if everyone is supposed to have one and everyone does whatever they have to do to get one, then how much do championships matter? people are like, oh, you got to win one. And they take the joy out of it. Like to the point where the players not even happy that they win the championship, they're just relieved. And they're like, oh, thank God, they don't call me a loser for the rest of my career. And that was, that's really what Katie was talking about when he said that, you know, that thing about like, I thought championship would do all of this things for you give me all of this satisfaction and it didn't. I mean, of course there's a lot of gold medal theory there too, but it's also because you, You punish these guys so much for not winning that when they do win, it's like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to be called like the best player to never win a championship. But like, now what? You know.
[00:29:09]DariusI have a problem with that. That's what the money's for. But I will say that there's a difference between never winning a championship and never competing for one. And so I don't think people look at Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing or. Like Carl Malone, John Stockton, like players.
[00:29:33]JordanMiller.
[00:29:34]DariusYeah, it's all Reggie Miller. They're still esteemed. They didn't win a championship, but they competed for one. They either made the finals or made the conference finals or like they had iconic matchups against moments. Other people who won a bunch of each other
[00:29:48]Jordanand other great players. Yeah.
[00:29:49]DariusAnd I think we view them differently than we view like a Vince Carter who never really competed for a championship.
[00:29:54]JordanTracy McGrady never had a shot.
[00:29:55]DariusYeah. James Harden. we respect your career if you competed for a championship.
[00:30:02]JordanYeah.
[00:30:03]DariusBut if you lost in the first round, I'm sorry.
[00:30:07]JordanYeah, like, did you see the clip of Gil Arena's new podcast? He's talking to Boogie Cousins and Nick Young. Nick Young was saying like, if you didn't make it out the first round, you weren't a great player.
[00:30:18]DariusYeah.
[00:30:18]JordanAnd like some of the guys got like, felt a way about it. It's like, greatness means winning or at least competing or elevating your team. If you didn't get out the first round ever, I'm sorry about how great were you like? That's my thing too. You know what? That's another thing on the list. Bag talk. Like having a bag, bag work, whatever the **** that is supposed to mean. A lot of players have quote unquote great bags or better bags than some other players and those players did not win or get close to winning. They did not elevate their teams. Tracy McGrady had a great bag. Kobe Bryant in his book famously said he could do everything I could do but at 6'9 Except get out the first round. So how much was that? How much did that pack matter? You know what I mean? And that's not just like the teammate actually is an example. There's a lot of players that like we say, oh, their bag is crazy, their bag is better, whatever. Okay, but like, think about all the wings who have quote unquote great bags. How many of them won on an elite level besides Kevin Durant?
[00:31:08]DariusI mean, honestly, I've always said the most overrated thing in basketball is making difficult shots. Because it looks cool. And so You know, Kyrie Irving is like a well regarded player where I
