This Christmas (2007)

Jordan: Yeah, now Lauren Lena, definitely her career is just like, her career is just like being insanely gorgeous.

Darius: Yeah, she can't act for ****.

Jordan: Hey guys, welcome to Out the Trunk with Jordan and Darius. This is our movie review segment. My name is Jordan. You can find me on all socials at Jordy B Writing.

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Jordan: You can also find us on all socials, our podcast at Out the Trunk Pod. on all socials, clean across the board. Today we're going to be reviewing This Christmas. This movie came out in 2007, starring Loretta Divine, Idris Elba, Regina King, Chris Brown, Delroy Lindo, Makai Pfeiffer, Sharon Leal, Columbus Short, Laz Alonzo, and Lauren London. Yes, the cast is that loaded.

Darius: I was going to ask what the budget was for this, but in 2007, I don't even think it's that time yet. They got all them for 13 M's.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Could you even get Idris for 13 amps today?

Jordan: **** no.

Darius: You couldn't even get.

Jordan: You'd have to start a GoFundMe.

Darius: Yeah, like you might, you could get, you could everybody, but Idris, Chris Brown, Regina King is not answering your calls.

Jordan: Oh, hell no.

Darius: But you could get.

Jordan: Everybody else you can get.

Darius: Lauren London, I don't know how much her, adherence is. But. She can't act anyway. Hey, sorry for cutting you off. Let's get to it.

Jordan: Beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns. Okay, so this Christmas is about the Whitfield family as they reunite in LA for the Christmas holiday. Their first full gathering in four years, their matriarch, Medea, welcomes her six children, each arriving with their own personal drama, secrets and baggage. As holiday tensions rise, their individual crises from debt and military AWOL status to infidelity and hidden musical ambitions, threatened to unravel the festive spirit and test the unbreakable bond of family. I'm gonna toss it to you for act one.

Darius: Act one, we're gonna call Secrets Beneath the Tree. The 6 Whitfield siblings and their significant others gather at my dear's house, home for Christmas. Arguments about some of the family business ignite and the unexpected arrival of the eldest Quinn introduces new tension and a lingering resentment toward my dear's live-in boyfriend. There was a scene early in the movie where Idris Elber's character is running from bad guys, which is called bad guy one, bad guy two. Yeah, dude. Two movie tropes popped out. One, breaking a bottle over someone's head is not easy.

Jordan: That is on my bucket list.

Darius: But those are breakaway bottles on set. That's not how it happens in real life. Do not jump through a glass window. You will.

Jordan: Window. Yeah.

Darius: You will die. A piece of glass is going to cut your carotid artery and you're going to bleed out on the floor. Do not. You will like one. They don't shatter like that. Like you're going to. Right.

Jordan: They always make it seem like it's just so no pun intended breakable.

Darius: Yeah. Like you see this all the times in movies that will kill you. Don't do that. Does your family do a big Christmas?

Jordan: A big Christmas? I don't know. It's usually like 15, 16 of us. So medium size, I guess. So pretty much. I mean, Christmas is a big, big thing in our family for sure.

Darius: So you buy gifts for all those people.

Jordan: No, God, no, hell no. We do. So we do Secret Santa with my siblings and then maybe we'll still buy each other something. Obviously our parents. And then sometimes maybe we have once in a while every other year. So we'll do like a Secret Santa with the cousins. And that's pretty much it.

Darius: When I used to go home for Christmas, we just did for the kids, like the grownups. Yeah. There was like four of us. We'd secret Santa it for the grownups and then everyone just bought for the kids. But hell, the kids are grown now. So right. Nothing made, man. So that's way off topic. But yes, I went home this weekend and it made me feel really old. What you got for act one?

Jordan: Same. My youngest cousin did her first college visit a couple weeks ago and I was like, why the hell is she on a college campus? And I was like, oh my God, she says, it's time for her to go to college. What do I have for act one? I love jazz and I love Speakeasy. So I love that the movie started out with like a nice jazz score and it's like a dope like dark moody jazz club. I love going to those. I thought that was a dope way to start a Christmas movie. I also want to say that this movie is a perfect testament of like parent slash black parent logic. Like you can't sing, but you can ride a motorcycle.

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: You can't have an expensive camera, but you can have a motorcycle.

Darius: Add that to the list of things don't do in real life. Don't ride motorcycles. One of my really, really good friends is a firefighter and don't ride motorcycles. Oh, damn. Don't ride motorcycles, man. It's, you know, the helmet technology is great, but yeah, you're still flying 60, 70 mph and it's just with no dog in the air. It's like there's no mechanism to keep you from smacking against the concrete.

Jordan: Just raw dogging any surface.

Darius: Yeah, like you are. The human body is not meant to smack into concrete at 65 mph. Right. We weren't quite we didn't evolve for that.

Jordan: So yeah, we're not that strong. Yeah.

Darius: No, you will spontaneously come. Well, I guess it wouldn't be spontaneous, but you will combust.

Jordan: Yeah. Or that. Yeah. What was I going to ask you? Oh, so there's a scene where everybody's getting to the house and it's the ****** husband showing everybody the Escalade with his name on it, which is So tacky. And then you got this sister pulling up with the BMW rental. The first time you watched it, did you think that she had like feelings for him?

Darius: No.

Jordan: Like a thing for him.

Darius: I mean, well, she had a thing for his, you know, displays of wealth. But yeah. I didn't see that.

Jordan: Okay. I remember the first time I thought, so I was like, is that sexual attention or does she actually hate him?

Darius: No, I just, I didn't see that. I just thought it was, if you've ever had, showed it to a family gathering, like when everyone's showing up, it's just real warm and fuzzy. And that's kind of how I took it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So the movie is a little bloated. There's like, there's a subplot for each sibling. Right. So we got the oldest has his gambling issues. Regina King's character has her husband cheating. Lauren London has a sneaky link.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Chris Brown. I guess he's singing.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Oh boy had a white.

Jordan: Columbus Short married a white girl.

Darius: And that was a wall. Who's it? I think that's all of them. That's.

Jordan: Wait.

Darius: I thought she had six kids.

Jordan: Three girls, three guys. So it was. Sneaky, Chris, Idris, and Columbus. We did those.

Darius: Sneaky, cheater. And what's the third one?

Jordan: Stealing cheater?

Darius: Lori London. Regina King.

Jordan: Stealing cheater. Oh, the other sister was just successful and didn't have a man.

Darius: Oh, okay. Which one would you have cut?

Jordan: Oh, storyline. Yeah. Okay. I want you to cut. I want your.

Darius: Subplot.

Jordan: I think I would have. Yeah, I would have cut the successful sisters. Lack of love life storyline. They could have done without that. They tried to give us some false depth with that whole story about him seeing her in freshman year, freshman year. And okay.

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: Playing saw cute girls freshman year. Yeah. I see cute girls every day. Yeah.

Darius: I would have cut that or like Columbus shorts, military slash white life. Just felt very 2007.

Jordan: Yeah. So I think I would have I would have kept the dynamic of the white wife. I would have cut the military storyline.

Darius: Yeah. But even that one, it just felt real 2007 that this is like still some taboo thing. And 2, like they made it taboo, but then it was like one scene later, nobody cared. So it's like, why do we even do this? Right.

Jordan: Yeah. That's a good point. Because if they were like, if they had more of an issue with it would have made sense for him to be not ashamed, but to be reticent of it. But they were so nice. It was like, okay.

Darius: It was standard. Oh, okay. Right.

Jordan: Yeah. It wasn't like it wasn't like his mom was like, damn, what did I do? Does he not love us? Or, you know, that would have been more interesting layers to peel back if they were going to do that. So yeah, that's not a bad take.

Darius: What did you have? Anything else you have for act one?

Jordan: Yeah. So first of all, that husband, obviously he wasn't **** because he was a cheater, but he just really wasn't **** as a human being, like flying out on Christmas Eve to.

Darius: He was the **** his sister on Christmas Eve.

Jordan: In New York is nuts. You know, like he was a ***** ** **** obviously, but like the most apt thing he did to me was like ******** on HBCUs for no reason. He was just like, so why'd you go to the school with the?

Darius: Yeah, I mean, it was almost like Tyler Perry villain.

Jordan: Yeah, it was a little bit like Mike from when I get married.

Darius: Which is like he made his wife drive from Colorado to Atlanta to Colorado solo in a snowstorm.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: He wanted her to die. He said they gave her like 200 bucks. It was like drive across the country.

Jordan: He was like, here's the pocket change.

Darius: I'll meet you there.

Jordan: Just here you go. I'll meet you there. You could just buy another plane ticket.

Darius: Like, you know, I think he just was not interested in her well-being.

Jordan: No, he just really hated her. He truly hated her from the depths of his soul. No, that husband really wasn't **** dog. And then also like, so do you think that he, remember he kept trying to push her to sell the dry cleaners and to get the money for whatever investment he was doing? Do you think that was his exit strategy?

Darius: I was thinking it just sounded like his money wasn't as long as he was leading on. Oh, got you. So that's kind of where I went with it. What could have been? I don't see, like, dudes like that aren't ever going to actually leave. Like, they get everything they want right now, Right?

Jordan: Because you got someone who's weak and insecure.

Darius: I don't really call her weak and insecure. I would simply say that he has his wife at home, which takes care of house, and he has his woman in daughter, you know, that just is around at his beck and call. So why would he change that up? You know? Right.

Jordan: That's true.

Darius: And later on, which, we'll get to that in a later act, but like he's doing just fine. Right. All right, man. Act 2, unwrapping the truth. During a night out, baby's hidden talent is revealed. Claude's big secret comes to a head and Kelly pursues a romantic connection. Back at home, Lisa grows suspicious of her husband's infidelity while Quinton's past dead sketch up to him, creating a dangerous situation. So Chris Brown's character. Yeah. Goes to, you know, the club plays tries to try a little tenderness. It's believable in 2007 that a crowd full of club goers club goers would immediately know try a little tenderness and he would get a pop for that.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: With music education was what it is today. Do you think a crowd of random people in a club We know an Otis Redding song today. And do you think he would get a pop with it?

Jordan: No, because as I ended our what's on my segment last week, the grandmothers are in their 30s now. So no, their classics would be like confession. Like, you know what I mean? That would be their like throwback.

Darius: But no, I mean, Otis Redding died in the 60s. So even in 2007, like, I don't think it's that. I think it's of the headphone culture. Like no one, when you're taking a road trip, everyone just has a soundtrack to it.

Jordan: Yeah, you don't have any music that you would not hear anymore.

Darius: Also algorithms, you're not coming across something that isn't already in your sphere. And so I just thought it was very 2007 that you're still like a song that in 2007 was 40 something years old.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: A crowd full of 20 somethings knew it. And it was, I mean, it's a movie, but I believe it in 2007. I do not believe anyone would know that song. Try a little tenderness in 2025.

Jordan: The problem is there's no like live radio is not a big thing anymore. So, you know, like going to school was when I heard with my parents was when I heard certain songs. And if you're going to school with your parents now, they're streaming music. So they're streaming what they like. So you're probably not hearing you may not hear that kind of music. It's like that scene from Abbott I mentioned where it was like, what's a favorite classic songs of y'all? And that one kid was like, a Millie.

Darius: Yeah, I mean, look, I get it, but I just think it makes me a little sad that music education is dying because most people, I mean, 2025 people would think that was Otis. He was getting ready to play. Right, **** yeah. It's the hot, it's the original. But no, a lot of kids would think, oh my God, this Kanye West song is going on.

Jordan: Yeah, I love this album. Watch the throne.

Darius: No. What you got for act two, man.

Jordan: Yeah, you know that had O7 written on it because they walk in the club and they're playing a song with that guy on it.

Darius: Yeah. Which is wild because by 2007, everyone knew.

Jordan: Everybody knew. Everybody knew.

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: But I do that. I'm not going to hold you. That is one of my favorite Jesus songs, unfortunately. So yeah. So the guys, he's talking to his wife who no one knows his wife yet at the bar. They're talking. The guys, there's a guy talking to her. He's like, no, we're together. Whatever. He comes back after. And it's like, they're not talking **** but they're, speaking out of turn. Were they asking for it? Or do you think they're just like driving the stupid?

Darius: Sure, they were asking for it, but I almost think that's immaterial. You can't pull a gun on somebody for making you mad. That's not. Yeah, that's not people. That's a common mis. A lot of people don't understand, like, my gun is registered. Oh, I have a concealed carry. Fine. Right. That's step one. It doesn't give you the right to pull a gun on anyone that ****** you off. Right. You still have to identify like a threat on your safety or your property or something like that. And no, I mean, it could be, you could have paperwork as long as stuff your pockets full.

Jordan: The constitution, yeah.

Darius: Hits on your woman and you shoot them in the head, you're still going to jail.

Jordan: Yeah, like it's like legally carrying gun is not the same as like just being able to shoot people.

Darius: People willy-nilly. They really do.

Jordan: They really think like, but I have a permit. It's like, no, dude, you don't have a permit to kill. You're not the bond.

Darius: You still need to practice good, you know, de-escalation tactics, good problem solving skills, good conflict resolution.

Jordan: Critical thinking.

Darius: Just can't shoot people that make you mad because they said something off color about your wife.

Jordan: Yeah, you can slap them.

Darius: But that's the thing.

Jordan: But you can't shoot them.

Darius: You got a gun on your waist. You get smacking people. It's just a matter of time. I would just advise people to. If you can just go home and live to fire. There's no direct threat to your safety or your well-being or anyone you care about. Take, just leave that **** alone. Anyways, act two, what you got?

Jordan: I had this scene in act two. The scene where Idris Elb was talking to Loretta Devine about his dad. And she's like, she said, something I really thought was so accurate. And I feel like we don't talk about enough in societies. Well, she said men, but I think some people just in general, but she was like, some men are just too selfish to be married.

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: And I really love that she said that because First of all, their dad wouldn't ****. Like, you just leave and just go play music and like, that's it. Like, you don't just see your kids anymore.

Darius: Like, ironically, Delray Lindo's character and Kirkland. Kirkland. Yeah.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Some men are too selfish to be married. It's me. I'm It's me.

Jordan: I'm.

Darius: Yeah, I get hurt.

Jordan: I feel like honestly, a lot of people slash a lot of people are too selfish to be married and even more people are too selfish to be parents.

Darius: Yeah, I would agree with that assessment, but I do think it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy where people never get married because they never want to have to stop centering themselves in anything. But you don't really learn how to do that until you have to do it, you know? Right.

Jordan: Yeah. Being considered is not As easy as we make it seem.

Darius: It is not going to come natural to you if you never have to do it and you're just floating single, no children forever. Like why would you ever learn those? You never had to flex that muscle. So.

Jordan: That's a fact because like getting a relationship after being single for a long time, it's like going to the gym after not working out in a year. Like you're like, it's like being sore as ******. You're like, wait, how do I do this? What?

Darius: I was supposed to text every day.

Jordan: We text you today? Yeah, right. I got to text you every day. Wait, I got to call you too? Like, you know? I should ask you when I'm at the store if you need anything. Like you kind of forget all those, muscles.

Darius: All those little considerations every day that you make for someone else. They, like I said, you don't flex those muscles for a while. So. Uh, God, you got Frank too.

Jordan: Um, did, do you understand why, uh, Columbus Shore was so weird about his marriage or, or did you feel like, like, have you ever been in that situation or would you, how would you have handled his situation? Uh, yeah, the marriage because it, Basically, based on what the family's reaction, we assume that's the first white girl he ever brought home.

Darius: Probably. Definitely. I just, given the family's reaction, I don't know why he was, he would know these people better than anybody, right? And they didn't care. So.

Jordan: Yeah, his mom was super sweet when they, when the bookies came home and she was like, oh, you're staying with us. If you're friends with him, you're going to stay at this house.

Darius: You know, I understand, given that, I don't know the age, I mean, I would understand why you'd be hesitant to just pop up married with anybody.

Jordan: Well, yeah.

Darius: You know, like just, we haven't met this person. Was there a wedding? I weren't invited. You know, I would be more afraid of just throwing them miles. Like, we don't go together. We're not, we're full blown married. Man and wife, yeah. And that's, that would be, I would be more concerned about that than the fact that it was a white woman, you know. I understand, but given his family's reaction, I think he was a bit over the top in his concern. Do you, what about you?

Jordan: Yeah, I think, I mean, I get the hesitation there for sure. But like you said, like with his family, with his family particularly, I didn't get it. You know, if they were more conservative or traditional, I would have understood. I wonder if maybe the underlying theme was because her parents didn't accept him, that he thought his parents wouldn't accept her. I wonder if that was if that was what this was his thinking. Also, I did like that they added that in there because it would have been fake to just act like that's not a thing, you know. So they couldn't ignore that reality there. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I definitely wouldn't get married without telling my family. That's not. I wouldn't even want to think about that conversation.

Darius: Big wedding. Are you or you want to elope? You 100% want a big wedding? Are we kidding?

Jordan: Yeah, we're going to **** **. I will say Now, like it, because I think to me the idea of a wedding would be where both families are actually intermingling and it's actually a family. Now, if the family's like didn't get along or I didn't like her family or something like that, maybe I would maybe modify the the size of the wedding based on that.

Darius: But ideally, what kind of beef could it be where y'all acted a fool at a wedding? You know, like, that's true. Not get along. Okay, cool. Yes, for me.

Jordan: Because I wouldn't marry. I wouldn't put myself in that situation anyway.

Darius: So I mean, if I love somebody and I want to marry somebody, I wouldn't let any not like it.

Jordan: No, for sure.

Darius: That's what you're saying. You're just not coming. But I don't know why anyone like how much like How little decorum do you have to have to pop off at somebody else's wedding? Like, you can't put this **** you can't leave that **** at the door at a wedding for a day, for one day.

Jordan: For 5 hours, 6 hours, whatever.

Darius: Really, like, it's, I just, I don't understand how people are, they lack that self-control, you know? So, Mr. Joe, Ma Dukes is dating. Mr. Joe is Delroy Lindo's character. The kids kind of kind of knew, but didn't really, whatever, whatever. I guess the dad was, they were divorced or was he dead?

Jordan: They were divorced.

Darius: Okay. So how would you feel about that? Mom's back outside. Mr. Joe pulls up. Hello, Jordan. You like poker?

Jordan: You play video games? Man, I don't know. That would be weird. I mean, I know it's gonna happen, but I don't know. I think I would just be more concerned just about figuring out like what kind of guy he is. Like, is he like, is he good to my mother? Is he good for my mother? That sort of thing. I'm pretty good at reading people, so I would, you know. I wouldn't be over like overjoyed to meet the person, probably maybe not, I don't know, depending on how soon and **** you know, anything can happen. But I would just be, I mean, I wouldn't handle it the way Quentin did. Like he was like overly aggressive with it. Like he was just, it was like, dude. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So I mean, I know it's a reality. I mean, I'm okay with, I mean, I'm aware of that and okay of that. I want both my parents to be happy and have love and companionship and stuff. So I'd like to think I'd take it pretty well.

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: Now if he was trying to like do too much or, that would be one thing.

Darius: It's different because y'all all grown. Like it's not like he's trying to take you to the park.

Jordan: Correct. Yeah. So it's right. It almost be like a co-worker or something at that point, you know, it's not like we're going to have some close bond or, so to the jazz club. Right. those days are those days are over. So it really wouldn't that wouldn't matter. But you know what I'm saying? As long as my mom's good, then I'm good. You know, that's kind of how I've always approached that, you know, meet certain parents, friends, you maybe didn't like them, maybe you didn't. But if they're good to your parents, you were cool with them. If not, then **** them. That's kind of how I approach it.

Darius: At a certain point, you just got to except that you trust someone's judgment and yeah it may not be for you to understand so that's true yeah I think a lot of adult children when their parents get back outside they act like you know the person has to date them too and it's like no not really you know like yeah I tell my boy like and your mom's 60 something years old man like she got grandchildren you know it's like right You just have to trust their judgment at some point, Yeah, that's true. The dude ain't 30 years younger than her trying to collect the life insurance check. Correct. Yeah, It's the dude is age appropriate and you know, it's deacon so-and-so and they met down at the church house and they go to bingo hall together. You just got to live with that. Yeah.

Jordan: So as long as he has his **** together and you know, treating her right, then you know. There's nothing more for me to say, like, in terms to her about it. You know, what I'm going to tell her, like, don't see him. Yeah. Oh, what else you got too bad? I will say I did always strongly relate to Quentin a lot whenever I watch the movie, just in terms of like when you were, you know, obviously my my parents got divorced when I was an adult, but I was a child when they were together. So you see, you see things and, you know, even though I knew that there was a better their better, their best lives were probably not with each other in that capacity anymore, it was still hard to accept. Like that doesn't make the loss or the grief any less significant. And, you know, it took me a long time as a child and a young adult to accept that reality, even when I knew that it wasn't good or was different. And so, like, I totally get the fact, like, you know, she, she, you know, everybody was like, why is he so hung up? Why, why can't he let it go? You know? And it's like, I get it because he was a grown man, but you still have those, those childlike, you know, ideologies and attachments, obviously, to your family. And it's a natural thing to want your family to be together, you know? And when you grow up with people who you kind of realize, maybe we're not meant to be together forever. That's a painful thing. And I remember I was talking to somebody years ago about this and they kind of said, the first joy or love that a child should experience is the love their parents have for each other. And I was like, holy ****. Because you don't think about it like that. You think it's supposed to be the love they have for you, but you know the love they have for you, but you see the love they have for each other. And so that's kind of what everybody's first model is ideally supposed to be. So I always, you know, understood why he had such a hard time getting over that that hump, which we get through with that. But I'm glad that they addressed that because they could have made it like some off screen realization and that just wouldn't have been. I think that's what makes this movie different from other Christmas movies.

Darius: I concur. Didn't necessarily agree with everything Quinn did. He's a little too grown. But yeah, I could understand why it would be a transition. Speaking of transitions. Act 3, the reckoning and reunion. Quentin receives unexpected help regarding his debt. Lisa confronts her husband in a dramatic fashion. The siblings rally together to deal with Claude's consequences. Baby finally takes a stand on his future, leading to a climax where the family confronts their secrets and finds a way to move forward via a soul train line because Had to end on all the cliches. This act gets off the rails a bit here. This is where you feel the bloat of all six storylines having to, you know, be landed here.

Jordan: Resolve themselves.

Darius: Yeah. The baby oil scene. Well, that's spanking. I was going to say earlier that I know she's not leaving him because you don't do all that when you're leaving. So he's a couple baby pleases away from being right back in there. But yeah, this is this is this act got a little bit off the rails for me. Yeah, we had the solo of the movie title to end this movie. We got the Soul Train line. All right.

Jordan: Which, by the way, is not even it's not it's a Christmas song, obviously, but it's not even a church Christmas song.

Darius: The Soul Train line. I was like, all right, man.

Jordan: Well, that was the actual actors. That wasn't the second one at the end of the movie. That was the actors. That wasn't the That was almost like a blooper reel, pretty much.

Darius: I got you. Doesn't make it any less corny. Act 3, what you got there?

Jordan: Well, speaking of that line, the Soul Train line, that was the first time I realized that Idris Elba was British. I did not know for like a long time that he was British.

Darius: So if you if you watch The Wire, his accent slips a lot in there because he's a newer actor and he's trying to do a Baltimore accent and.

Jordan: Right, which is. One of the more unique accents you'll ever hear.

Darius: And he does a good job, but it slips here and there. And also like, the wire was a low budget affair. They weren't doing reshoots.

Jordan: I'm about to say yeah, the cameras were not great. Right.

Darius: No, man, British people, they be doing American accents really well. I didn't know old boy from Get Out was British until.

Jordan: Oh yeah, Daniel Kaluuya. Yeah.

Darius: Until he spoke. A couple other British people. A lot of the Game of Thrones people were British and you wouldn't really pick it up. So, you know.

Jordan: Yeah. Who else was it? Like a lot like Christian Bale. A lot of people didn't know he was British for a long time. What was I going to say? Really nice church. Great cathedral look. love when movies have a good good you know background scene did you notice the white guy who was definitely like was lip syncing in the choir go back and watch it there's a scene there's a point where he's just like has his mouth open is just like zoned all the way out.

Darius: I've been there those songs get long and they get they do get long I'll never forget, man, when Christmas fell on a Sunday, the Christmas day.

Jordan: And you had to go.

Darius: Yeah, we had to still go. We would never miss church on Sunday. And they preached like it was any other day. And it was like 1 o'clock in the afternoon. No kids had open prep. Everyone was just over it. But nah, man, whatever happens on Sunday happens after church, even if it's Christmas.

Jordan: Damn, that sucks. That was one thing my parents, like we never went to church on Christmas ever. We never had to do that. Thank God. We, it wouldn't have went well. I wasn't going to ask you. Oh yeah. So the scene where Chris Brown was talking to Loretta Devine and he's like, basically just reading her, not reading her foot. He's basically just telling her about herself and letting her know kind of, you know, like you holding yourself back for us and it's causing you to resent half of us. So you should just live your life. Really glad someone told her that. It's always funny when it's like the youngest kid because they always say the youngest kid like doesn't give a ****. So I think the movie was pretty accurate with that. That scene.

Darius: The youngest usually has the most clarity, though, because they yeah, they got to see their parents as like the final form the whole time. And you know, that's why Quentin was all like hung up on her d