The Sandlot (1993)

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Jordan: Everybody, welcome to Out the Trunk with Jordan and Darius. This is our movie review segment. My name is Jordan. You can find me on all socials at Jordy B Writing.

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Jordan: And today we're going to be reviewing the classic, one of the best movies came out in 19 of the best movies of all time, The Sandlot. Last movie came out in 1993. Dang, that was a long time ago. Starring Tom Gweary, Mike Vitar, Patrick Rena, Chauncey Lapardi, Marty York, Brandon Quinton Adams, Grant Gelt, Shane Obezinski, Victor Demantia, Dennis Leary, Karen Allen, and the legendary James Earl Jones, RIP. Set in the summer of 1962, 5th grader Scotty Smalls moves to a new neighborhood and desperately wants to fit in. He's taken under the wing of Benny Rodriguez, the leader of a local neighborhood baseball team that plays daily at the neighborhood sandlot when Smalls accidentally hits a priceless baseball autographed by Babe Ruth into the backyard of a legendary terrifying neighborhood dog known as the Beast. The boys must hatch a series of increasingly wild plans to retrieve it.

Darius: And we're going to go with act one, the new kid on the block. Had a lot of hits. Scotty Smalls arrives in town, completely lacking any baseball skills, but Benny invites him to fill their 9th spot anyway. Smalls struggles initially, but starts to find his rhythm with the crew, learning the ropes of the neighborhood dynamic. Nothing to do with the movie. Do you believe Babe Ruth is black?

Jordan: I have this on here. That's crazy. I have this on here. Yo, I've seen enough Dominicans to know, to know when I see one. He looked real ethnic in them pictures, bro, especially when they had like a, they had a twinge of color. He looked, yeah, I think he was definitely ethnic for sure. It would explain the trend of, you know, Latinos, the Latino, you know, presence in baseball. I think so, man. I think he was. Yeah, it was.

Darius: The features are there. it's just passing meant something different than it does now.

Jordan: Correct.

Darius: And I just, obviously we'll never know for sure.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: There's a little bit of internet folklore in it, but if I had to bet $1,000, yay or nay, I'm betting yay. So yeah. What you got Frank one.

Jordan: I agree. so couple things. first, my first observation is moving your kid who's graduating the 5th grade 2 weeks before summer break before he goes to middle school is one of the more, it's like social suicide, bro. Like imagine that you have all your friends, you think you're going to middle school with these guys, you move to a new neighborhood, school gets out. What the **** are you supposed to do all summer?

Darius: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he got a job, though, right?

Jordan: Like, yeah, that's true. Yeah. It was for a job. It was.

Darius: Yeah. What do you do? Like, certainly. Well, yes and no. I think at that age, though, you just back then you just went outside and you hung out with the kids in the neighborhood and you kind of had to know that that was going to happen. So this movie was set in the it's made in the nineties, set in the sixties. And anytime I watch a movie, it's set in the 90s, but it's kind of a similar point. I'm always, the first thing I notice is just how poor everyone used to be. Like these houses are tiny. These, every car is junk. Like nobody's ever doing anything, but just kind of hanging out. And it's just, this is a wealthy suburb in this show.

Jordan: But that's what I was going to say. Yeah. In that time period, they were up remote of class.

Darius: Right. And so it just, to me, it's just, It doesn't, like, anytime I watch an old movie, the first thing I notice is just like how much living standards are higher than they used to be because these are wealthy people in the show. And, this would be the, I mean, you watch, you look at the sandlot and you watch the backdrop and these houses look like it looks like boys in the hood. Yeah, they look like they're collapsing. And so, you know, shout out to progress.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: I did like the multicultural group of people. I did think that it was it was interesting that it was accurate for the time in the sense that back then this was considered multicultural. Like there was an Italian guy, the Bambino, what's his name? Gambino, something like that.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: The redhead.

Jordan: The chubby kid. Yeah.

Darius: Then he was obviously Puerto Rican. Yeah, there's a black guy. Yeah, there's a Dutch guy. And like, this was like they weren't all just white in 1960. This was actually distinct cultural and ethnic differences. And so that was true to the form of the time.

Jordan: Yeah, especially for California in the 60s. Now, what I would say is it's funny, though. Well, I'll say that for another part, but yeah, it is. I like that they have had a diverse friend group, especially considering that time period. Like if they were in Virginia, That story would have not have had a happy ending. I did think it was interesting though that the fact that like the kid, his mom had probably been married to his stepdad Bill for at least a little while. Obviously, they knew him wanted to move states with him, whatever. I thought it was interesting that they kind of showed like the, I don't want to say subservience, but just like the gender roles of the time period, because like You married a guy probably for security because your dad, your husband died, when you were, you had a little infant, basically, that had such a, I don't know what the word is. I'll say cold relationship with your son that he didn't feel comfortable calling him dad or playing catch with him. You know what I mean? Like looking back and watching as a daughter, I'm like, well, it's kind of crazy that you would do that. But then it's like, well, she probably more so married for the security than, you know.

Darius: Yeah. Married love was not really a decision made in love back then. she needed the financial security and this is the 60s. It wasn't easy for a mom with a young child to find a man who would even give her the time of day. And so she had to take What did she had? What did she got? And so that was a survival mechanism or anything.

Jordan: And I mean, women, white women weren't really working at that point, right? 60s.

Darius: That really wouldn't, no women were.

Jordan: So, yeah, true. Well, black men were like, you know, being mammies, I mean, mammies, nannies and, you know, **** like that.

Darius: I mean, like a wage earning I mean, everyone's working. She's working, keeping the house going. I mean, like a job with wages that you can pay for things like she didn't. For by and large, men were still the vast majority of the workforce in 1962, I think.

Jordan: Yeah. I also want to say like there's this thing with like actors and period pieces where they say like people have what's called iPhone face where like that person has the face of someone who looks like they know what an iPhone is. Yeah. And I feel like everyone in this movie actually does look like they could be in the 60s, which I think is kind of cool.

Darius: It helps. It was made in 1990. So.

Jordan: Yeah, true. So it wasn't that far away.

Darius: Yeah, hold on. So this is 1993.

Jordan: I think the mom definitely looked like she could have passed for 50s or 60s.

Darius: Won't get old. So this movie was made in 93. It was set in 62.

Jordan: Yep.

Darius: If a movie, if that same time period, if a movie came out today, it would be.

Jordan: Set in like 99.

Darius: We're old men.

Jordan: Someone said they'd be like this retro 90s setting.

Darius: That 70s show, if it came out today, would be like that 2016 show.

Jordan: Yeah, that's ******* nice, dude.

Darius: 2006 show.

Jordan: They'd be like, remember that classic album, Views?

Darius: Yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's, so culture was stuck for a while. I think we're getting out of it. But yeah, it's yeah, that movie.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: If I remember watching Sandlot thinking these, this movie is from like a prehistoric era and that would basically be a movie in the 90s now.

Jordan: So yeah, so I love that this movie is about baseball. It's not like one of my favorite sports necessarily, but I like, I feel like baseball Has some like the best just uniforms period like the jerseys all look dope. I love they have buttons on it looks really cool that the baseball hats obviously they're a fashion statement in our community, you know. So it got me to thinking like what are some of the best nicknames in sports? Some movies, you know, Babe Ruth, you know, Great Bambino is, you know, a big backdrop in the movie. What are some of your favorite sports nicknames of all time?

Darius: That's a good question. Gotta love William Refrigerator Perry.

Jordan: Yeah, that's a good one.

Darius: Clyde the Glad Fraser is a good one. Oh, that's tough. We don't really do nicknames anymore. I mean, the greatest is magic, right?

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: I think I don't know anyone who calls him Irvin anymore. No one. I think if you told me he actually legally changed his name, I believe you. Yeah. those are the ones off the top of my head. How about you?

Jordan: I go Air Jordan. Is Tiger Woods considered nickname? Because I think it's like legally his name now, but at one point it was his name. Yeah, Tiger Woods. King James is hard slash the frozen woman. Chosen one rather. What else? What else? I'm trying to think. Who else has a great name? Pretty Boy Floyd. Floyd made with this like early era.

Darius: That's my name when there was a better nickname though.

Jordan: True. That's true. But I love like all those old gangster movies and ****. So I love the callback to that. What's another good one? Trying to think. I mean the great one. That's pretty amazing. It's simple, but it works.

Darius: What is it? Mean Joe Frazier. That's a good one.

Jordan: Yeah. Mean Joe Green. Who else? Who else? That's going to bug me.

Darius: Well, it's not bad audio. Just naming.

Jordan: Yeah, you're right. So Vincent Vincentity is good. Vincentity was a good one.

Darius: Vincentity was a good one.

Jordan: Yeah, that's all.

Darius: That's everything else for act one.

Jordan: Act one. And that's all I got for act one.

Darius: All right, we can go into act 2, the legend of the beast. The summer heat peaks as the boys play their hearts out, square off against a rival Little League team and navigate pool days with Wendy Peppercorn. But the real trouble begins when Smalls borrows his stepfather's Babe Ruth signed ball and it flies straight over the fence into the domain of Hercules. I did love that because I wasn't expecting him to do this, but when he does the scheme to sneak and kiss Wendy Peppercorn, Smalls, a narrator, says it was sneaky, rotten, and low. It was nice that they acknowledged that was pervy as hell. Yeah, I didn't expect them to, but I appreciated that there was enough self-awareness in 1993 to be like, yo, that was wild out of pocket.

Jordan: That was wild.

Darius: Little boys can be a bit pervy, so I get it. You know, I'm not trying to throw them in the gulag, but at least can we acknowledge that there was sneaky, rotten, and low. I was going to believe what he said.

Jordan: My favorite part is like he kissed a woman. He kissed you long and good.

Darius: So gross. Faking a drowning.

Jordan: And like all your friends think you're ******* dying. You're like traumatizing the **** out your friends. And then the kid with the glasses, he's like, oh my God, it looks like a dead fish. And then he looks up and he's like.

Darius: I don't, do you know, like something I noticed is like the modesty of the swimsuits.

Jordan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Darius: Granted, it was a community pool, but, you know, swimsuits don't look like that anymore. No, you do not appreciate it. But I was just like, those are those look like, like Jim, like I've seen more risque outfits at the gym.

Jordan: Facts. Yeah. Agreed. Let's see what else I have. So one of my favorite sees in the movie is when they they celebrate beating the snobby kids in baseball. And they go, they all go to the carnival and they give each other, they give them the dip, the big, big chew.

Darius: Have you ever had chew into Echo?

Jordan: No, I've never had it. I've never had it. I had friends who did it in high school.

Darius: It's so gross.

Jordan: I don't know why we thought that was cool.

Darius: I did it in high school too. It's just, it's like literally, it's like chewing. Like the insides of a cigarette, but the texture is snot. It's just awful. It's really bad.

Jordan: That's gross.

Darius: I don't get it.

Jordan: It's funny. So I do smoke cigars and I've had cigar hangover. Have you ever had a cigar hangover before?

Darius: No, I have not.

Jordan: So I've only had it one time. And the difference between like a cigar hangover and like liquor hangover is when you're drinking, you feel fine during. It's the next day that sucks. It's sleeping that makes it worse. With cigar hangover, you feel that **** in real time. Like when you're drinking, you have that one drink, you're like, oh, if I stop now, I should be good. Cigar hangover, you smoke it and you're like, oh no. And you just feel like you're gonna throw up for the rest of the night. Like you, it like it, like I had it once my head was spinning. I like, you just felt like if you moved, you would throw up. Like that **** is so uncomfortable.

Darius: Is there, do you know what triggers it?

Jordan: Basically, it's like everybody's tolerance is different, but it's basically like it's like a magic number, I guess, of puffs, if you will. And once your body hits that point, ejectosito, because it's like, it's just, it's over.

Darius: Is it like seasoned cigar people know when they're one puff away?

Jordan: Yeah, for sure. Like you kind of get to that point and you're like, okay, yeah, I'm good. I don't need to finish this.

Darius: Yeah, I know exactly when the next shot is just too many and it'll ruin.

Jordan: Right.

Darius: The night I'll be fine, but the next day it will be shot. No pun intended. So I just be like, nah, I'm done with shots. No matter who orders them, run around, whatever. I'm like, nah, I think my, this is still fun limit and I would like to keep the night fun. Right. I did love how, through adult eyes, these are all minor problems. Now, they were best baseball is a whole different thing, but like that's yeah. The way they kept the purity of it being through a 10 or 11 year old's eyes and like that 4th of July game may as well have been the World Series, but it was clearly like the fireworks and the neighborhood game and there's a mythology around the dog that like is peaking game of telephone where it's like he ate a child and the kids, the cops came and told him we're going to lock him up forever. The dog is 50 years old and it's just forever. And it's just like, this is what little kids do. They just, the imagination runs wild and there's, you know, the adults know it's full of **** but they let kids have fun, you know?

Jordan: Yeah, I love that too. Cause like even like watching a movie, you know, it's like that fence in the movies, like 6 feet tall. In real life, if through the eyes of a child, if probably like, the fence was probably 3 feet tall, or basically the size of a tennis net, and they just were like. **** we can't come over there like, cause the big dog's gonna eat us. And you know what I mean.

Darius: And no one ever thought to like knock on his door and be like, hey, we hit a baseball and y'all can we get it? Most reasonable people will be like, yeah, sure, I don't care.

Jordan: And they're like, no, he's crazy. He'll eat you too. Like, no.

Darius: It's like, you need me to get my dog and keep him in the house while you do it? Like, it's like, we live in a society. You can, sometimes you knock things in my yard, you can go get it. It's not, you're not breaking any laws.

Jordan: Like, they did a great job of like showing like the innocence of kids, but also them being stupid at the same time, even when they're arguing with the kids who had the baseball team, the insults were like, it was **** that we said as kids, you know what I mean? You play ball like a girl.

Darius: It's just, it's just so funny, man, because it's like, you know, did any of them think, hey, let's just ask him if we can get our ball out of his jaw?

Jordan: Like, what? It's, yeah. And it's funny because in the 60s, that was the whole era was like about, I mean, aside from obviously segregation and racism was a white to white, white to white people. It was about civility and friendship and camaraderie and manners and all that. So it's like, you could have just knocked on the door and be like, hey, our ball went over your fence.

Darius: You know, They're kids, though. So, right. I have it here. You mentioned it earlier. The stepdad was weird, right? I wasn't true.

Jordan: Yes, he was weird. He was kind of an *******. He's an *******. He's an *******.

Darius: He wanted to go to the end, but I'm just like, why are you this standoffish with a 10 year old, dude? Like, don't you feel ridiculous? Yeah.

Jordan: Right. The fact that his mom has to like chaperone him asking you to play catch with him. Like, I don't understand.

Darius: I'm glad they didn't go into that too much because I doubt we would have kept the good vibes of the movie because that guy was weird, man.

Jordan: He was weird. And I wasn't sure if that was like what it would have been. I almost wonder maybe now looking as an adult, like if there was scandal around marrying a woman with a child from a previous relationship, even though the father had died, like I wonder maybe if that's what it was.

Darius: Especially in these elite suburban spaces that they're probably the only blended family in the neighborhood, Right. This wasn't, I mean, that today that's not even abnormal, but in 1962, a divorce at all, obviously she's a widow, but these things were just exceedingly rare. And, you know, he probably heard the whispers or whatever, you know?

Jordan: So you got anything else for act two? I think that's all I got for Act 2. Yeah.

Darius: All right, we are flying through these. We got Act 3, the great retrieval. With time running out before his stepdad notices, the boys construct an intricate, ridiculous mechanical contraption to fish the ball out. When everything fails, Benny has a literal dream encounter with the babe himself, inspiring him to lace up his PF flyers and tackle the challenge head on. I must admit, I enjoyed Act 2. more than act three because I found the summer hijinks more interesting than the pool, the Fourth of July, the tobacco, the carnival, the coming of age story. I just find that more compelling than them going, it just became like a sitcom where like, let's try this episode and just, I just kind of lost it right there. So quite the engineering prowess though for children.

Jordan: Yeah, for sure. For 8 years old, 10 years old, whatever they are, to build that.

Darius: Spoiler alert, Catapults went on to be very successful. They were smart kids.

Jordan: Yeah. One of my favorite of their retrieval tactics was where they had Yaya on the string, like the Mission Impossible scene. And it's like, he had the ball, he got scared by the dog. It's like, just throw the ball over. What do you, had one job. You literally had one job and you couldn't do it.

Darius: They're kids, man. Like they just, the guy was blind. one one afternoon during a lemonade on his board. He's like, why are these kids like flying in my backyard? What's going on? But it just it was nice to see kids without the helicopter parenting. So much of playtime today is structured. It's either, you know, if this were modern day, they would all be on like a baseball league team. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But like, there is something to kids navigating social dynamics without parents overseeing it. And so it was good to like, you know, watch the hierarchy develop and then come up with plans together and then figure it out. And, you know, like they took those lessons through, you know, their whole lives. So yeah, I thought that was cool to just watch, you know, these kids are just roaming the neighborhood, playing in the sand lot. The parents had no idea where they were. As long as you're home before the sun went down and It was just, it just, I think if you could, you don't want everything from 1962 for obvious reasons, but that's something that we could probably try to get back, Yeah.

Jordan: I agree. It's funny because this neighbor, this movie reminded me a lot of my childhood. Like that was me and my friends in the neighborhood running all over the place. You know, we, our school was across the street, so we would go over there and play football like in the summer times and **** like that.

Darius: We played baseball with four people. One in the outfield, one pitcher, one catcher called the ball and strikes and everyone taking a turn swinging. And we didn't keep score. We were just out there swinging a bat.

Jordan: Yeah, just playing St. hockey with no skates.

Darius: Hopefully the kid with the basketball hoop in his yard is home so we can play there.

Jordan: Yeah, I was a kid with the basketball hoop. So yeah, we played in my house. One of my friends had a trampoline in his backyard. we were at his crib all the time. And he had a swimming pool too. So I was like the money house, low key.

Darius: We put a, we put a, my boy Kyle, he had a trampoline in his backyard and we used to put the sprinkler underneath it, which is just surprised none of us broke our neck on that ******* thing. But we, I mean, we was, it was basically like a ******* water park. We put the sprinkler under the trampoo and we would just bounce and just we're like little kids. There was a ******* tree. We would jump off the tree onto the trampoline with the water underneath it. is a miracle none of us broke a bone out there. Yeah, for real. Bill character though. I definitely injured myself a few times, but yeah, the metal around the trampoline would shock the **** out of you because you'd have the water conducting and you'd slide across it and you know, but it was, I wouldn't trade it for, well, I would trade it for a few things, but I wouldn't trade it. I wouldn't trade my childhood I wouldn't trade a low-tech childhood for a high-tech childhood.

Jordan: Yeah, me neither. Yeah, all the silly **** we did, riding bikes. You know, there was a big creek like in our neighborhood that our parents told us not to play in. Of course, we wouldn't play in it. We found like a tunnel. I think it might have been sewage. I'm not sure. Looking back on it. You know, playing in the street, playing in the street with our school shoes on. You know what I'm saying? All that stuff. Yeah, man. Those were the days, man. It's funny because even to the point of how big things are to a child's mind. So my office now is around the corner from my old house when I was a kid. So I would drive by there sometimes just, tripped up memory lane literally. And the fields we played in felt ******* huge. And it's like, The size of a bedroom.

Darius: We just play football in my yard because I thought I like we had the big yard and one tackle football with no pads, no helmets, just smacking the cold Minnesota ground, which is just insane. But yeah, it just felt like the biggest yard in the world and it was maybe 20 yards. Yeah, it was a whole football game on a 20 yard field.

Jordan: So yeah, all time QB.

Darius: I have it here. Adults should get able to, should be able to pick one summer off every decade to just like, have a summer vacation where they don't have to work. Like give me one a decade. Obviously you can't have them all the time because you know who's going to work, who's going to, When you go to Chick-fil-A and it says we're closed for the summer, you're not going to like that. So someone has to do these things. And so if we can just stagger it so that every adult gets one summer off a decade and we can make it work economically, I'm down with that because like a summer vacation.

Jordan: I think it will be a better place.

Darius: You know, just the whole thing just made me, you know, long for just the The waking up and just going and not having the lack of constraints, the lack of responsibilities. It was a good walk down in real life.

Jordan: Yeah, that's one they don't tell you about growing up. It's like you didn't really, like, you didn't even think about it when you were a kid, but when you grow up, you're like, oh **** no more summer breaks.

Darius: No, you got to work through it. But that first summer after morning, they went places.

Jordan: Yeah, like that first summer break after college graduation, you're like, oh **** this is it. Like it's over.

Darius: No, there's no. And the thing is, it's not just that you get the summer break. It's not just being off of work, because most jobs come with some sort of PTO. It's everybody being off at the same time. And you can just call up your friends because you were all either in school or whatever, college school, whatever. And just like, everyone's off this week because it's this break. Everyone's off this summer because it's this. And it's just now it's like, Y'all wanna go to Vegas for the weekend? Oh, let me see if I can get this. Let me see if I can do that. We gotta get a babysitter here. Let me talk to my wife. So much more has to go into it logistically.

Jordan: So much more planning.

Darius: When you were, you know, when you're a kid or in your early 20s, it was just, it's July, no one's working. Right, who's ******* what?

Jordan: You got a summer job, okay, when you get off.

Darius: Right, like when we go, you know, nothing else is going on.

Jordan: Yeah, like even in college, we got our summer jobs, like we get off work or whatever, and then we, Shower and change. We'd go grab a couple of 40s from the grocery store, drink those, Uber to our other friend's house. We'd pre-game there with liquor, and then we'd go downtown and, you know, **** the city up. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Darius: Just be able to.

Jordan: Coordinate with everybody to spend a weekend together and ****.

Darius: Or just like there being no collateral damage. Like man, we used to drink. Yeah. Four, 5, six shots of crown to pregame and beer all night and then you just wouldn't wear on your stomach. Like you just, you were fine. No. Man, like try going on a two week without it just drinking beer and **** man. You're not gonna feel great.

Jordan: It's going to be 4 days before you feel fully normal.

Darius: Yeah. The bloat, the gut rot, the, you know, the lack of consequences for poor diet is just something that when you're in your early 20s, you don't realize. Yeah, that's the hardest part. What else you got for act three?

Jordan: Yes, this is one of those movies, man. It's almost like a. like a soul food, like a chicken soup movie where like it just makes you feel good every time you watch it. works every time. It never goes stale. You know what I mean? Like I still laugh every time at the same lines, at new lines, you know? There's never a memory that doesn't trigger from childhood. It's just like the writers and whoever and the makers of this movie, they did an excellent job of just like creating a love letter to childhood, period. And the fact that it transcends decades You know what I mean? Like it's a 90s movie set in the 60s. We're in 2020s. We grew up in the 90s and 2000s and it hits the exact same way as it probably hit everybody who were adults when the movie came out. It's incredible.

Darius: It's just, I like that. Okay, let me ask you this. So now, I mean, that's a childhood we could all relate to. We just told stories about it. Are we the last generation who can relate to that kind of childhood of just like low tech, leave the house, gallop, just wander the neighborhood. No one's calling the police because a band of teenagers are just walking around. Right. You know, no one's known. You could pop it to your friends. You knock on your friend's mom's door. And even if they're not home, they offer you something to drink because you're a sweaty, tired child. Child. You probably smell terrible because you've been in the sun for three hours.

Jordan: Oh, for sure.

Darius: And like, What do kids even, they even relate to that anymore? Are we the last generation who can relate to that?

Jordan: I feel like we are because I think it back to now, so many of my friends' moms like stitched me up after like falling off my bike or I have really bad allergies and carry, especially in the 90s had like, or in 2000s had a lot of just like flush and not wildlife, grass and shrubbery everywhere, So I would like be breaking out like in hives from the pollen and ****. And my friend's mom just like wiped me down like the calamine lotion, like, cause I was like breaking out everywhere, I think so because my neighborhood now their kids playing and **** but they're like on electric scooters and they all have phones. They're still outside, but it's just different.

Darius: Yeah, I think, I don't know. I just. I live in the community and I see the kids outside and they I don't know maybe they can maybe they can because they seem to be obviously I'm sure they have phones but they out they be outside all day especially during the summer all the kids seem to be friends in the neighborhood. I'm sure they don't talk to me. I'm ******* almost 40 years old, but they seem to get along all the neighborhood kids and they seem to have their interpersonal dynamics that, you know, I can notice just like, you know, walking, throwing garbage away or going for a jog or whatever. So maybe, not. Who knows?

Jordan: And you make a great point about like helicopter adults And even just like helicopter, I'd say institutions, like did you see that? There's a clip that went viral on TikTok. There was a couple of kids who got like reprimanded by police and security guards in North Hills. They just were like eating ice cream. And they were like, yeah, there was some, there was a fight earlier. You guys were in it. You're banned for life from like North Hills and ****. They were like, we weren't even involved. We just got here 10 minutes ago. We were just in the movie theaters. Like we weren't even involved. The cops were just like overly aggressive with them and ****. You know what I mean? It's just like And I remember some of that happened to me when I was around the same age in North Hills. And we went to the movies and we were, my siblings were outside waiting for our parents to pick us up. And they were like, do y'all have IDs? And they were like, my siblings were like, no, we're minors. And they were like, well, you can't be outside as minors. We're going to detain you. We have a center over here where you guys can go. And I was like, well, I'm an