The Judge (2014)

Jordan: Hey everybody, welcome to the Out the Trunk Pile with Jordan and Darius. This is our movie review segment. My name is Jordan. You can find me on all socials at Jordy B Writing.

Darius: And I'm Darius. That's Deez all up in the area on all socials.

Jordan: And today we're going to be reviewing The Judge. This movie came out in 2014, starring Robert Downey Jr. Yes, Iron Man, Robert Duvall, Vera Farmiga, Vincent D'Onofrio, Jeremy Strong, Dax Shepard, Billy Bob Thornton, Leighton Meester, sorry, and Leighton Meester. This movie is about a high-profile Chicago lawyer who returns to his small hometown for his mother's funeral. He's forced to confront his estranged, respected, but discerned father, who's also the town judge, who is soon suspected of murder. The son must put aside their bitter differences to defend his father in a high-stakes courtroom drama. So I'm gonna toss it to you to open up Act 1.

Darius: Act one, we're going to call the homecoming and the accusation. Hank, a successful and arrogant Chicago defense attorney, returns to his Indiana hometown for his mother's funeral, forcing A tense reunion with his two brothers and his estranged, rigid father, Judge Joseph Palmer. Their strained relationship and family secrets resurfaces. Hank attempts to leave only to learn the judge is suspected of a serious crime. Off the rip, Robert Downey Jr. is an elite actor, and I will never forget Marvel for what they took from us for all that time. He could have done so much iconic stuff that he decided to tell bad jokes in a costume. Never. I will never, ever. Anyone seen Mara Shala Ali? Where's he like?

Jordan: Yeah, no, they put that. Yeah, they put that thing on the shelf. They put that thing on the craziest shelf. All that for mood that ended up not getting made, bro.

Darius: It just absorbs.

Jordan: Somebody a moment needs to go to jail for what the **** they did to him.

Darius: He was at the highest of highs and, you know, no one's heard from him. Also, that's obvious.

Jordan: It's a very part of the story. How can you not figure that out? I don't.

Darius: It can't be that hard to write a script for ******* blade, man.

Jordan: No, bro. Just get some pretty black people. Don't want some leather. I don't understand.

Darius: I won't say the opening song. I looked it up. It's called Phantom Witness has to be like the universal. This movie is serious opening song for all of Hollywood.

Jordan: Oh yeah.

Darius: Soon as it starts, I'm just like, I know that song. It is just everyone, every piano plays it just like, okay, lock in because we're about to cry. All right. What you got for act one?

Jordan: First of all, I ******* love this movie. This cast is loaded. Everyone drops 40 in this *****. But I love the opening scene of this movie, where it starts out with almost like a relic of each of the characters' interests. It starts out with the judge's glasses on his desk with the newspaper. Then you see the baseball glove, and then you see the camera for the other son, and then you see the hydrangeas for the mother. And then you don't see anything for Robert Downey Jr's character, which is kind of his place in the family as the black sheep. I thought that was a super dope detail right there.

Darius: Yeah, I'm sorry for yawning. Yeah, I agree. Did they ever explain why Robert Downey was like, the blacks? Like, what did he do? I didn't watch the movie. I like, they kind of said the dad hated them, but I never got why.

Jordan: Yeah. So remember he got, he was got stoned with his brother and they were driving and they ripped the car.

Darius: He's the one who was, yeah.

Jordan: That ruined the brother's baseball career. And I, I think the older brother was the dad's favorite, honestly. And I think that's really what it was.

Darius: I think the older kid played sports and. Right. Okay. It doesn't make sense. Sorry, I missed that. I was just like, because.

Jordan: He was supposed to go pro, basically. So I think it was I think it was like, oh, you ruined my favorite kid's shot at a huge future. So.

Darius: Barbershops across America are filled with dudes who thought they'd go pro if, you know, they didn't hurt their knee. So what else you got for act one?

Jordan: I love that they suddenly showed he's still as much as he hated his father. He still had a great relationship with his mother or still had love for his mother with where the fact that he had hydrangeas at his house and he was watering them.

Darius: When he was pulling off in the car, he's like, take care of my hydrangeas. We know why, but yeah, I mean, it's often the case when the relationship is strained between one parent, the other parent like secretly keeps it Keeps in touch, right?

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: So.

Jordan: Yeah, I like that. Even just like, man, like I know this movie's supposed to be like, it's just a strange relationship between the father and son, which it is. But his dad was a ******* ***** ** ****. Like, I'm just gonna keep it stag with you. Like, yo, like, first of all, for me, if one of your kids didn't **** with you, you're a ***** ** ****. That's just like my general rule in life. Because kids are so forgiving and every kid wants their parents to be their hero. So for your kid to like, actively reject them from reject you from their life. You had to be on some wild ****.

Darius: I mean, what he said, what he said about his wife having an affair was just insane.

Jordan: I would have swollen him. I'm sorry. I would have swollen that.

Darius: I mean, I just said, absolutely. I wouldn't even say it to someone I didn't know, much less my child.

Jordan: Yeah, that's ******* crazy. Even remember at the repass where he like he sees him and he's like giving everybody hugs and he calls him Henry and shakes his hand like they're ******* business associates.

Darius: Didn't that feel a little cartoonish to you at some points? Honestly, I've seen some strained parent-son-child relationships.

Jordan: I don't know, man. I've seen some wild ****. Like I've seen some crazy **** like that.

Darius: Ain't capable of being cordial at your wife and mother's funeral. That felt a little cartoonish to me.

Jordan: I don't know, man. Listen, my grandma passed almost a year ago to the day. Actually, three days from now, it'll be a year ago to the day. And yeah, you know, rest in peace. She's in a better place. And the **** that people were saying to and about each other during that week when we were all back in town, it was like, no, like y'all are, not only are y'all as bad as I remember, y'all are worse. Like y'all have gotten worse as human beings. I don't know, dude. I've seen some crazy **** bro. Like, I've seen like, where, you know, parents pit, like create this like competition between the siblings and that they act like, you can tell they want that between the siblings, you know?

Darius: Yeah.

Jordan: And I don't know. I mean, I've never seen it so much where I'm not going to hug you and shake everyone else's hand, but I've seen that energy before at functions and stuff and at events.

Darius: I've certainly seen dysfunctional families before, but they usually can keep it tight for a funeral. You know, like usually it's like in the interest of respect for the deceased. Well, yeah, you ain't got to think, you know, you ain't got to. throw a parade, but just, hey, how's it going? Oh, cool. Da, da, da, da, da. Yeah, pivot.

Jordan: Usually you see that and then the ******** starts. So that's fair. That's fair.

Darius: Maybe just because like, it's not that I'm a pushover or I'm just not like. I'm just not too, it's fine. I can say hello. I can do some pleasure. Even if I ******* hate the person. It's just not that hard. I totally, you know, like it's just, it's really, I don't find it difficult to just be like, hey, how's it going? How's the kids? Da da da da da. Okay, cool. All right. That's it. You know, you don't have to, me, obviously this is a movie.

Jordan: Right.

Darius: You're putting your feelings ahead of the bigger picture when you decide to bring up any grievances.

Jordan: That's fair. That's true.

Darius: Public spaces where it's just wildly inappropriate.

Jordan: So yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, he definitely could have handled that. We could have handled everything better to me. I agree. So I actually wanted to ask you, do you think because I like that they showed like the wife, he did have relationship with his wife and, you know, he's crying at the at the the grave site and all that. So I want to ask you, do you think it's possible to love your spouse that much but hate the people you made with her?

Darius: We only hated one. Well, true.

Jordan: Yeah. Which actually to me makes it worse because if he hated all of the people, okay, you should be ****. But to hate one child so egregious, so aggressively was insane to me.

Darius: One people hold multitude. So yes, I do think it's possible. Yeah. I wouldn't categorize the I wouldn't categorize it as hate. I wouldn't say he felt like You robbed my oldest son of his dream and then left to go live yours and you didn't and I like now I have an adult dependent child that You know, I'm solely responsible for while you get to live the big shot life in Chicago. I think a lot of there's a lot of latent resentment, latent resentment for small town people to the people who leave and go.

Jordan: Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

Darius: And so you have that.

Jordan: As one kid always stays.

Darius: One kid always stays. You have the fact that he left and he's probably a snob about it. He's probably always talking about the yokels back home. And you injured, you were primarily responsible for the injury. That is the reason why like having a like a mentally incapacitated adult child is just a lot. It's very labor intensive work. And that's a reminder every day, you know, of it. And, you know, I don't know.

Jordan: That's the brother with the mental issues. He was he wasn't in the car.

Darius: Oh, ****.

Jordan: It was just it was the big brother. dude from Law and Order.

Darius: Okay, well, that's the point, Stance. You robbed the oldest son of his dream and then you would have to go live yours and you're a snob about it because he wasn't, I could tell he was a snob about it just by I also wanted to point out the mismatch in lifestyles. Scott has his fly *** crib and these vintage cars and he's the last row of coach on the plane. That doesn't make any sense. Oh yeah, that didn't make any sense at all.

Jordan: Like you're not private or first class.

Darius: He'd be first class. He would be private. Yeah, true, You don't, that doesn't, like you're his big shot attorney and you would row 36C. I don't believe it. I agree. But no, I don't think he I don't think he hated them. I think that human beings are complicated and there's a lot of resentment for the small, the small town people toward the people who left and then he's just not leaving. And then you also left after injuring your brother. So but do I think it's possible? Yes, I do think it is possible to hold those two things in conflict.

Jordan: Yeah, I also I think because they never really said at what age the the separation started so I wonder if it was maybe he just was rebellious and doing stupid kid and then his dad was such a **** *** by by his by his standard that was just like beyond the pale and then the car accident was just like the final straw type I mean you know they didn't really explain it all you know the timeline of it your kid's graduation is absolutely high school and I was gonna say yeah high school and college and law school is crazy.

Darius: Did I ever tell the story about the dare to not do drug speech that? Yeah, I'm getting old. I'm repeating stories on the podcast. I still haven't lived that down. That was a ******* fifth grade, like after school special speech. The idea that you would miss graduation is just patently absurd. I've never.

Jordan: Yeah, no, actually. Yeah, I remember my 8th grade ceremony. I like didn't tell my mom there was one, I guess. And she was like, why didn't you tell me? Like.

Darius: The teachers called my parents. My parents will, my mom answered the phone and was like, situated she was neglectful. She was like, these things are important and you should show up. What you talking about? You ready to do act 2? Yeah. Act 2, the defense and discovery. Despite their mutual contempt, Hank reluctantly stays to represent his father in court, beginning a complex high-stakes trial. As a courtroom drama unfolds, Hank's investigation into the case uncovers dark family secrets, a past tragedy, and a surprising private struggle his proud father is facing. Chad to getting that old thing back in your hometown. In totally unrelated news, I will be back home next month. Leave that right there. What you got for act two?

Jordan: You know, I actually have a question I want to ask you. And you just, I'm gonna go ahead and just go ahead and do it now then. So say you come back to your hometown and you see your old flame and she has a kid that looks like their age can be around the time y'all like let saw each other. What do you do? Like, would you ask her?

Darius: Oh, thinking it's mine.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Is there a dude in the picture? Are we mapping the movie over where there's no?

Jordan: Yeah, yeah. Mapping the movie over. Yeah, yeah.

Darius: No, I would ask. Yes, I would leave it alone because if there's a dude in the picture, I'm not hearing that.

Jordan: Right.

Darius: But if it's if she's just a single mom.

Jordan: There's a joke there.

Darius: I'm not going to say it. If she's just a single mom. Then I would probably, I just, I would have to know. So I would ask, yes.

Jordan: Yeah, Also, I'd be really disappointed because damn, she was fine.

Darius: Yeah. Is that the, so that's what I had a question. So did you see Top Gun Maverick?

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Is that the same old lady back in your hometown thing? Same character? Yes, because I didn't look it up.

Jordan: No, that's a different actress. So the one in this movie, I actually love her, Vera Farmaga. She was in Up in the Air with George Clooney. She was The love interest in the departed Leo and Matt Damon.

Darius: She's the conjuring lady, right?

Jordan: Yeah, that's her. Yeah. And she was in. What was that show on FX about Norman Bates and his mom? Bates Motel.

Darius: Okay.

Jordan: Yeah, she was she was in that show.

Darius: Yeah. Very talented actress, but no.

Jordan: She's great and everything.

Darius: If I returned back home and an old fling had a child that looked suspiciously like me, If she brought it up first, that's tough. Yeah, right. I would, I would, I would only ask.

Jordan: If you're in college already, like, what do you even do at that point? I don't know, you know.

Darius: I would, I would, I would ask if she were single. Yeah. But if there was, if they were, if, you know, if she was married or had kids, and I'm not injecting myself into that.

Jordan: Yeah, I feel you.

Darius: What else you got, Frank?

Jordan: Yeah, I want to say, I want to say both ways Bobby is a crazy ******* nickname to call another man.

Darius: In those small towns, man, being gay is like being anti-Christ. Like, no, yeah, seriously, yeah. Like, that's, it is not.

Jordan: You're literally putting your life at risk.

Darius: I mean, not so much.

Jordan: You're not putting your life at risk, but your life could be at risk because of the way people treat LGBT communities in small towns.

Darius: You are risking lowering your quality of life. We'll put it that way. Like people will treat you differently.

Jordan: Basically in the 80s, remember like they graduated high school in the 90s. So early 90s. So yeah, that's yeah, that's a.

Darius: America is a big country and some of them backwoods are rural. Backwoods. Yes.

Jordan: So yeah, man, I remember I went to a friend's house for a cookout in Zebulon a few months ago. And Zebulon is like, really like kind of like out kind of in the sticks. And I was driving, I saw a gas station and it just looked like I wouldn't book them in there.

Darius: Like, just, if you ever was it the Green Book, we it's not totally irrelevant, like, get your gas during the daytime.

Jordan: Yes, And use cruise control.

Darius: Yeah. these cars now will tell you to the mile when you need some gas. So I'm sorry. That is also helpful. But I know you get. So he his dad gets popped for vehicular manslaughter. Was it? I mean, it ended up being first.

Jordan: Degree murder, but voluntary manslaughter.

Darius: Yeah. First degree murder was overcharging. But let me just say jury selection is ********. Like you shouldn't like the fact that you can pick and choose the jury. Yeah. If it's going to be, because what happens if you allow jury strikes is that the only people who are on juries are people who can't get out of being on juries. And there's a self-selecting mechanism there. That's why I always say people, if you can, especially black people, and you get called for jury duty, you should do it because we are, you know, there's a lot of bias in jury selection. And it's important. It's a civic duty and it's important that our juries aren't solely just the people who can't get out of it because the people who can't get out of jury duty are the people who are too dumb to figure it out. And so, you know, I guess I always say if I get called for jury duty, I'm going to do it because it's one, it's my civic duty and it's important for black people to do it because we're underrepresented and there are biases in court systems that for everyone. And it helps to have diverse juries. So I just wanted to get that out there. What else you got cracked too?

Jordan: Yeah, I want to say, so they mentioned the fact that the father was at one point an alcoholic and is now recovering and sober. And I just want to say, if that's how this ************ was acting when he was sober, when he was drinking and they were little kids, he had to have been a ******* terror.

Darius: I don't think he was winning any Father of the Year awards. No, not at all.

Jordan: And he was a judge. He could do whatever he wanted.

Darius: That I mean, judges, especially in those small towns, may have.

Jordan: ****. Yeah.

Darius: A men's authority.

Jordan: You're like the mayor.

Darius: Pretty much more powerful than the mayor.

Jordan: Yeah. Yeah.

Darius: And the town was a mayor as a figurehead. So, you know, true. But I want to say, you know, as someone who What am I? I'm 37. And my father, I think his birthday is next month. I'm not going to, I think he's in his 60s or something. Just the whole father slowing down thing is because, you know, like, you know, Pops hit 60 and they hit the 70. I mean, this guy was 74 in the movie, 72, 72.

Jordan: Yeah, 72.

Darius: And it's just like, you know, it just kind of hit me a little different when it's just like, man, Your parent, no one, nothing prepared you for your parents aging. And so no, there's a what is that? The John Mayer song Stop This Train. And when he's just like, you know, I don't know how to say this. I don't want to see my parents grow old. And it just, you know, yeah, it's just the song is called Stop This Train because he wants to stop the train of life because it just keeps moving and there's nothing you can do. And it's one of my favorite John Mayer songs. And it reminded me when I was listening to this, just like seeing his parents age and there's a line in the song where he's like, what does he say? He says, so scared of getting older, I'm only good at being young. And it's just like, just, you know, I kind of felt it. Cause he's just like, he comes home and his dad, if you, especially when you move away, when you come home and everyone just ages and they just, you just don't see it cause you're around them so often. You're around them not often, and then you just come back and you notice that things change.

Jordan: It smacks you in the face.

Darius: And their gait's a little different. They're just not as witty, and it's just like, when did this happen? And it's just like, well, then while you were away. Yeah, right. Yeah. You know, it's just so anyways, what else you got for Act 2?

Jordan: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I mean, my parents are relatively young. They're in their late 50s, you know, like my mom had ankle surgery a year and a half ago and That was, a temporary situation, but it was like, for those couple few months, it was like, damn, this is what it would be like, when they get older and stuff. And, my dad, he's getting to age where he's starting to need glasses, but it's like gradual because we'd be out to eat and he would like, not tip by accident. And they'd be like, you sure? This is what you mean? And he'd be like, oh, sorry, let me give you 20 more bucks. Like, you know what I mean? Like subtle **** like that. So it is, it's not, it's not sad because they're just, getting a little bit older, but you start to think about, but for sure. Yeah. Right. I'd rather them age than, right. So that **** does kind of start to hit you subtly or even like, my dad lives a few yards away, which is not crazy far, but we see each other every few weeks, every couple months, depending on who's busy, you're traveling and you kind of like notice like, oh man, like he's like his beard's more gray or, you know, stuff like that.

Darius: It happens quick, man. Yeah, you're hidden. I think it's like your mid 40s is when you're kind of you're the sandwich generation. Your parents are aging into needing more help. And then you have kids who obviously they're kids and you help. And so you're just kind of juggling, you know, taking care of people. You're reread like you have to like you re-raise your parents. They become infants.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: And so right. It's tough. It's tough.

Jordan: Yeah.

Darius: Was that bathroom scene the most powerful in the movie to you?

Jordan: One of I won't say it was the most powerful for me. It's definitely one of them because I mean, eventually we're all, Lord willing, we're all going to have to do that for our parents. You know, we hope that they are old enough to in a weird way to be able to have that problem, if that makes sense. And I mean, they did it for us for ******* you know, until we were three. So it's the least we can do to pay them back.

Darius: Obviously, you know, I just feel like something changed with Robert Downey Jr.'s character in the sense that like, that's when, you know, he, he's.

Jordan: He humanized him.

Darius: He humanized the father. He was not like the evil judge. He became his like actual father. And yeah, they were, it was like that after that scene, they became father and son. And then, yeah, honestly, the movie gets a little longer than a tooth after that. But that's kind of what I like. transition after that scene to where they were like adversaries and then they became like partners in whatever endeavors.

Jordan: Yeah, I agree. It's funny. So I just finished Will Smith's book called Will and his dad passed away from cancer. Maybe like seven or eight years ago, something like that. And his dad, he had a somewhat contingent relation with his father. His father was alcoholic and was a piece of to his mom and stuff like that. So he, naturally growing up had certain negative feelings towards his dad. And he said, you know, when his dad got older, when his dad got cancer, like he wasn't the big ogre, scary ogre to me anymore. He just was like a man. And he could see like the scared child inside of him, you know? And he said like that, you know, humanized him a lot. And he said there were similar experiences, with the bathroom scene and stuff like that, where you have to take care of your father. And it's like, man, it's just a person, that had problems and mistakes and didn't know how to deal with them. And that I know I have to like forgive and, try to be in our relationship with him before it's time to go.

Darius: One of the hardest things about adulthood is realizing your parents aren't actually superheroes. They're just people.

Jordan: Yes, that is that is very true.

Darius: And as the old saying goes, once a man, twice a child. So, you know, you'll be sandwiched there. Anything else for act two?

Jordan: So I wanted to talk about the cancer diagnosis and all that. I just thought it was ******* crazy to me that he just like hid from his children that he had cancer stage 4 for a year and then was just like working every day like the **** was normal. I personally don't think he should have worked on anything that was really selfish because you were in obviously no condition to be presiding over legal matters. I think that actually was pretty narcissistic on his part to be honest.

Darius: Yeah. I mean, the first scene, he's like making some guy give his car keys to his ex. And I don't even think you can do that. But yeah, that was crazy. That was some small town ****. No, right. I get it in the sense that once you tell someone you are terminally ill, you see you. I've always said I wouldn't tell anyone. I just wouldn't. I would. One, I don't like attention into Once you tell people you see, I would cease being Darius and I would just become the sick guy. And that's all people, I've read about this stuff. What was it, When Breath Turns to Air? Was that doctor who wrote the book as he was dying? And he's just like, it's literally all anyone ever wants to talk about. Like no one ever asked me about a TV show anymore. No one ever asked me about the game. And he's just like, I wouldn't want that. I would rather People treat me like Darius until the end. I just wouldn't. I wouldn't tell anyone. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go out like Chadwick. I would 100%. No one knew with Chadwick except for like his wife and his family knew. Yeah, that's pretty much it. But like Ryan Cooler didn't know Michael Jordan didn't know. And that's I imagine it's something similar to that where it's just like, yeah, you become your disease. That's all anyone ever wants to talk about. So no, I wouldn't tell anyone. I get it. I do.

Jordan: That's true. Also, I do want to just a little footnote here. The fact that he was like, oh, I don't want my legacy to be ruined like Ulysses S. Grant and Ronald Reagan. First of all, Ulysses S. Grant, he won the Union and he beat the Confederacy. Went on to help black people in the restoration era, sorry, reconstruction era. Ronald Reagan, on the other hand, is looking up on us smiling right now because the **** he did to black and brown people in the 80s was ******* crazy. And I don't know what proud legacy there is to honor about him, respectfully. It's funny though.

Darius: I agree with you, Ulysses S. Grant. Although he did sort of botch the Reconstruction era. Fair. But my funny, it's this internet thing where everyone treats Ronald Reagan like the boogeyman. And then you look at his electoral maps and it's like, I don't know, man. He was like one of the most popular presidents ever. Like people talk about Ronald Reagan. He's the character from House of Cards where he just like got into the White House on accident. His second election, he won 49 states in 84. He was an immensely popular president.

Jordan: He was crazy popular, yes. He also was very evil to black people.

Darius: But the people, people, black people could vote back then. Like, he won these elections fair and square.

Jordan: I know, I understand it, but I just could not let that slide in this movie where they acted like he was like, He tried to moralize like people do JFK. And it was just like, no, that's not the same.

Darius: I imagine you're just a conservative white dude in small town, Indiana.

Jordan: Well, to him, he probably was a hero. But you know, I just had to get that off my chest as a policy major. I needed to say that. I needed to say that.

Darius: I just find it so funny how the internet treats Ronald Reagan like he like stole an election or like he snuck into the White House and like he wasn't one of the most popular presidents in United States history. Yeah. I mean, he won two elections in landslides.

Jordan: I mean, I don't think he was for black male teenagers.

Darius: I don't think he was a good steward.

Jordan: He cut a lot of funding that helped a lot of people.

Darius: I mean, the vice president signed the Americans with Disabilities Act. So, yeah. That's the other thing too. He won the two elections and his vice president won a third. He basically won three elections.

Jordan: No, I get it. I understand. I get it. I just. I just couldn't let that pass.

Darius: I just find it fascinating how diff like. We will never see another president win 49 states.

Jordan: No, never.

Darius: It's just.

Jordan: Well, if we ever see another president.

Darius: Yeah, we will. But I just, the Ronald Reagan thing is so funny. Listen, I don't, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have, I wasn't alive, but I wouldn't have voted for him.

Jordan: Yeah, I wouldn't have voted for him.

Darius: Yeah. And, you know, but it's just, it's fascinating to me how people treat it like it was, you know, Bush score 80 or 2000 and a split. But he just won. He won two giant landslides.

Jordan: No, he did. He beat he won those elections fair and square and nominated.

Darius: Hondale 49 to one. But anyway, that's actually crazy. What else you got for act 3? This is act two. Sorry.

Jordan: Yeah. What did I want to say? Oh, yeah. It's always weird to me how when a parent is an ******* to their certain children or to all of their children, they just are like, nice as **** to the grandkids.

Darius: I've Yeah, so I get it though, because you parents have to say no grandparents get to say yes. So yeah, and part of the job of being a parent is being mean. And that's not the job description of grandparent. So true. I thought that was I thought that was a cool way to humanize him.

Jordan: And it was it was I thought it was interesting how he was like, I've been wanting to meet you for so long. And it's like, well, you put it sounds like you didn't put any effort to connect with your son. I don't know what made you think he was going to send his daughter to you.

Darius: I mean, the people in the small towns don't leave, but I will say his other two brothers seem to revere him. So they did.

Jordan: They did.

Darius: I mean, he was two out of three and sons that loved him. So Robert Downey was the outlier. And I believe if the movie was the movie was clearly told from the perspective of Robert Downey Jr. because it was a Robert Downey Jr. vehicle. But I wish we could get like almost like a split screen because I feel like we didn't get the full reason why his end of the falling out. Because again, three sides of every story. Because it just strikes me as strange that the other two brothers, I mean, the other two brothers revered their dad and we're skeptical of Robert Downey. So like, if everybody hates you, know, what did JJ say to Kanye? If everybody crazy, you