JordanOkay, everybody, welcome back to Out the Junk Pod with Jordan and Darius. This is our movie review segment. My name is Jordan. That's Jordan to be writing on all socials.
DariusAnd I'm Darius. That's Steve's I love the area on all socials.
JordanAnd today we're going to be reviewing the cult classic American Psycho starring Christian Bale.
DariusAll right, act one, the perfect surface. Patrick Bateman, Christian Bale's character, navigates an immaculate Manhattan routine of work, status, fitness, and nightlife while subtle cracks expose the emptiness, competition, and unease beneath his carefully constructed identity and social world. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the OG Lux Maxer. That's the first thing I thought in that opening scene, which makes sense because he's a psychopath.
JordanRight.
DariusLife is for living and you should not be trying to, maximize your sleep score every ******* second of the day. So. Yeah. What you got for act one, man?
JordanSo, okay, so there's the opening scene where they're showing like the food and there's like the. they're setting up the plates with all the garnish and all that stuff, whatever the servers are listing the specials for the night and every single item that they listed sounded disgusting like it was like shoot they didn't even go together you know which is kind of a great way to open the movie considering the opulence and decadence and the the under creepy underbelly of his psyche you know throughout the course of the film I thought that was a great way to open the movie I also want to say that This movie has like extreme meme meme life. You know, there's the the oh my God, it's got a watermark. You know, there's the where he's walking through the office with his headphones on, where his music blasting people put people make that post all the time on Twitter about them going to work with their music. The workout routine, you know, that the creepy obsession with You know, I use this scrub and this, this mask and, you know, all that stuff. So we had a lot of great cultural relevance considering what it was, the way it was critiqued at the time.
DariusYou know, let me just say I have been to a fancy restaurant or two, and it's a lot of this stuff is good, but I've never left and wanted to go back. Yeah, just. The vibes. It was always like for work and I wasn't paying for it. So, but I'd be probably be ****** if I did pay for it. But how was the movie received at the time? I don't actually have that information.
JordanI think at the time it was critics liked it. I think audiences didn't really **** with it that much compared to what the legacy that it has now, I'll say. I remember, I think I read somewhere that While they were shooting the movie, people thought that Christian Bale's performance was like weird. Like people on the set thought like he's bombing this movie. They didn't really get what he was doing. And then of course, after the fact, now everybody totally understands the vision that he had and what he was trying to say through the character performance.
DariusI must admit, I thought some of the scenes were a bit hokey, but I, you know, it was released in 2000, probably filmed at night. It looks like a movie that was filmed a little bit older. So I don't really think. I think it was bad. I just thought it's cool. I don't understand the cult following behind it, but I enjoyed it. It's fine. When you watch a 90s or 2000 movies, what's the first thing that stands out as different to you?
JordanThe fact they shoot on location. It's not a green screen and There's real people that are just walking around, you know, in the background, things like that. I'd say the color palette for sure. They just seem more colorful then. There's just a grittiness to 2000s movies and 90s movies in particular that I consider this basically a 90s movie came out in 2000 shot 99. You know, there's just a grittiness that those movies tend to have, you know, that make things feel real and grounded, even though the stakes may be super high. Like in this movie, everything's very heightened and extreme, but it still feels real, you know?
DariusYeah, the you definitely can movies back then and for good, we're just more analog. You could feel the characters. This would have been CGI to death if it was made today.
JordanRight.
DariusAnd I don't like CGI graphics for the most part. They're necessary at places, but I like for sure. What's the opposite of CGI? There's a word for it. Practical. Yeah. So first thing I've noticed when I watch a 90s or 2000 movies is the cars on the road are junk. If you want a sign of how much richer society is than it was 20 or 30 years ago, you will look into a run-of-the-mill, working class You'll see a bunch of high, you'll see a bunch of 40, $50,000 cars.
JordanCorrect.
DariusThat's a new thing. That is not what it used to be. These cars are junk on the road.
JordanYeah, I remember I was, I took an Uber a couple weeks ago to get a haircut and the guy was driving a Lexus and he's like, yeah, it's like a cheap little like Toyota, whatever, you know, and he's like, but you know, in the Porsches, some of them, people's dream cars, but I don't really get why they own $60,000, like, you know, and I'm like, dude.
DariusIt's, you know. Yeah, people. Yes, people are. What is it? Living standards have increased for sure.
JordanYeah, 100%.
DariusYou know, the childhood home I grew up in, I don't think had three TVs in total. I have three in my living room, so. Right. So that was a home with four or five people in it. So.
JordanYeah.
DariusWhat else you got for act one?
JordanOh, so I don't know if you notice or not, but this movie was actually the inspiration for the music video Love Lockdown by Kanye.
DariusI did not know that. I don't remember.
JordanSo if you ever go back and watch it was the. That music video was, no, that was live action. It was Heartless, that was animated. But basically the background is all white. It's very like a sterile apartment. He's wearing like a white suit and ****. You know, he was like, he said, you know, it was, he loved that movie. And he felt he feels like Patrick May, which I kind of, he's pretty out there. So I kind of get it. And so that's kind of what made him want to use that as the muse for the music video.
DariusWhen people go crazy and they're like, there are no signs. Maybe listen to someone when they say they feel like Patrick bait me.
JordanYou bait me. Right. And this was like 20 years ago.
DariusYeah, that was it. There's always signs. But don't just go crazy overnight.
JordanNo. Even the fact that Patrick Bateman in the movie, he's like he had all these quotes by like Ted Bundy and **** like that. Like, you know, you don't just no one, no normal person just drops those quotes.
DariusYeah, it's almost always, almost always. It's always just when people say there were no signs, it's just the family lying about ignoring the signs. Right. There's always signs. What else you got for?
JordanI'm going to say. Oh, so. Obviously it's a spoof and it's a lot of satire in this movie. The whole thing is satire. But I love the fact that he's talking to his girlfriend and she's like, he's like, I have to work out. I really need to focus on my job. She's like, why you hate that job? And he just takes his headphones off and goes, because I want to fit in. You know, and it's not very often you hear people just say that out loud. So I thought it was kind of funny that he just had that awareness to just blurt out. Also, if you like, he's into looks and big brands and all that stuff, whatever, but everybody that's in his life, they all look and dress and talk and act the exact same. It's like a uniform.
DariusYeah, I mean, there's, well, yeah, that's true. That is very true. They all eat at the same bland *** restaurants too. So I was going to have a rebuttal, but actually not think about it. It's true. They are all like that. You know, one of the bits in the movies is like everyone forgets whose name is who. because they're all the same person. And so there's a lot of there's a reoccurring theme in 90s movies of just like upper middle class dudes bored to death by their cubicle jobs. And I think that was because like, I don't know, maybe that was like the first generation. I don't know for sure. So fact check me later people. But maybe it was like the first generation of middle class to upper middle class dudes who had office jobs. Because before office jobs were just for rich guys. And You know, it's a lot less exciting than working in a factory. Sure. But ain't none of them people running back to the factory. So I think. Right. Every you know, it is a remarkable achievement to have a boring cubicle job that pays well. So everyone. Yeah, that's that's very true. So I but it's funny to watch how many night like Fight Club and right.
JordanI was going to I brought that I wrote that down.
DariusThey're just about dudes bored with their, you know, comfortable cubicle, well-paying jobs and, you know, nice apartments. Yeah, like the boredom with modernity. And it's like, all right, man, you can go start a subsistence farm and move into the woods if you want to. I mean, there's nothing stopping you. Yeah.
JordanOr, you know, when that recession or depression hits and you, you know, working three jobs to make half what you were making.
DariusBe careful what you wish for. The boring is good, you know.
JordanSo yeah, absolutely. Okay, did you know that Christian Bale, to prepare for the movie, he actually did do the morning routine every day?
DariusI did not know that.
JordanYeah, I mean, it makes sense because have you read the book?
DariusNo, I have not.
JordanIt's so extreme. Like I think you'd have to do that every day just to memorize it, to even act that on screen, to be honest. Like it's like it was like 15 things he does every single morning to get dressed or to get ready for the day.
DariusI do remember reading up. I own the book. I just haven't gotten read it, but I remember reading a passage and it's just literally him talking to himself about his morning routine. So it's a memory. Yeah. Anything else right? One.
JordanOh, yeah. So the business card scene, that's one of my favorite scenes in the movie. One, because they all look the same. Like they're all just eggshell, different verses of eggshell with an engraving or whatever, you know, and like. Most like normal guys, usually they compare like their houses or their cars or whatever. And these guys are just comparing like business cards. I thought that was kind of funny. It was a very like subtle way of **** **** measuring, basically.
DariusI don't think it was subtle.
JordanWell, not subtle, but it was a more unconventional way of **** measuring, as I should say.
DariusThey there's nothing dumber than a business card. I've had the same stack of business cards for ******* 10 years now. And it's like, When would you ever, how could, it's not possible to hand one out and not look like * ****. It's just, nobody has ever looked cool handing you their business card. It's just so stupid. That's funny. It's true, man. Heading into act 2, the mask slips. Fateman's obsession with appearances intensifies as professional rivalries, consumer excess, and private impulses collide, blurring performance and reality, while his increasingly unstable perspective reshapes every relationship and encounter around him. Everyone in this movie is obsessed with status, but nobody's actually accomplishing anything or building anything. They're just talking about status. I just don't, you know, I get that like if you look at the average office worker during work it's gonna look like they're doing nothing but it's just remarkable to me that these nobody ever does anything in this movie they're just yeah existing as rich archetypes like there's nothing there's no there there you know yeah what what you got for act two.
JordanYeah that's funny you say that I because I feel like I mean the movie is a lot of making a lot of, trying to make a lot of statements about masculinity and, I think obviously I'd say white privilege as well, white male privilege in particular, of course. But I think it's also obviously clearly a lot about capitalism. And there's the scene where he walks through the homeless guy and he was like going to help him. Then he starts asking those. we hear people all the time, those bootstrap questions, why don't you just get another job? Why don't you just ask for a job? Like, whatever. And **** like, if it's just that easy for a homeless person to just get a job, it's like, okay, well, you have to have a suit for the interview. You have to have a way to get to the job. You have to be able to fill out the application. They have to give you an application. Where are you going to call the street? Correct. Right. You're going to give them 911's number. Like, you know, yeah.
DariusYeah, every boomer is like, well, just showed up and asked for a job.
JordanIt's like, yes, and they'll give it to you.
DariusAlthough I must admit, that sounds more efficient than this. The new thing we have where there's like 90 rounds of interviews and yeah, you know, so I don't know if there's got to be something in between that. But yeah, for sure. Telling a homeless person to just go get a job is, is you don't understand how anything works.
JordanNo.
DariusThen you'd ask that like, okay, so if a homeless person walked into your office tomorrow, you handed them a W-4 form to fill out.
JordanYou'd call the police.
DariusRight. You know, like there's things, you know, I've read memoirs from homeless people and they're like, it's once you become homeless, it's a race against time before you start to look homeless. And it's like, you lose your housing and then a buddy lets you crash on his couch. or maybe even his spare bedroom. And then, he's like, all right, your time's up. And then you get a couch. And then that only lasts for so long. And then it's like, you just run out of couches. And then once you can no longer get a daily shower, it starts to wear and you can't brush your teeth and you start to build plaque up and you start to look homeless. And it's like, if you don't get out by the time you start to look homeless, it's just a dead spiral at that point. Right. And one of the misnomers is that people are homeless because they do drugs. And it's like, no, most people.
JordanThey do drugs because they became homeless.
DariusCorrect. It's like, if you ever gone camping and you have to sleep outside while you're camping, most people have a drink or two to take the edge off because sleeping outside is difficult. Now imagine if that was your life. Like you had to sleep on the concrete. And not just you have to find a place to sleep. Yeah, you'd want to get high. Yeah, right.
JordanLike if I was if I was homeless, I would 100% do drugs, hard drugs, like the hardest drugs possible. Yeah, it's like or even like, well, I mean, I think Patrick Bamon, of course, is a walking metaphor for capitalism. And I got like this thing where people are like, whenever if you heard someone say like when a homeless person asks them for money, they say like, oh, I'll go into the store and buy them some food so they don't use them on drugs. And it's like, well, who are you to say what they what they can and can't use that money for. You know what I mean? Like, if you're going to give it to them, then it's theirs.
DariusI mean, who are they to say the person who's giving the money? I mean, I don't know. Like, I really, you can't just like you can't tell.
JordanI think that's very self-righteous.
DariusYeah, but I mean, they could just say no.
JordanYeah, for sure. Right. See, that's my thing. It's like, I'd rather you not rather you say no, but you could just say no as opposed to you trying to finger wag someone who's in a ****** situation.
DariusYeah, I hear you. No, I mean, I wouldn't do that. I would just give, I would just give the buddy, I have a homeless guy on the corner a beer every Saturday, so I get it. But I'm not also going to tell people that they're wrong for not wanting someone to spend their money on drugs.
JordanI mean.
DariusThat's a perfectly normal sentiment.
JordanI mean, if you tip your server, you're spending money on drugs. But they're working. They're providing a service to you.
DariusKnow, I don't really. Someone just straight up asks you for money. You have every right to ask, well, what are you going to spend it on? I don't know. I don't think that's, is it what I would do.
JordanI just, I just think that's just really, I always felt that was in really poor taste.
DariusYou know, when you ask someone for some bread, you can't be too picky about how they give you the bread. You know, sometimes you got to be in shape with you begging, you know, so it just kind of goes both ways. Where are his friends? Did Patrick Bateman have any actual friends in this movie? Other than hookers? Yeah.
JordanWell, I was going to say that the three guys he gets drunk with and does coke with, I guess.
DariusI thought those are coworkers, right?
JordanOh, yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, they were coworkers, but they were hanging out socially, you know?
DariusI mean, I don't.
JordanDo drugs in bathrooms with my coworkers.
DariusFair. But it's fine to have a amiable social relationship with your coworkers. It's even fine to go out happy hours, have drinks. They can't be your only friends. That's not healthy.
JordanYeah, that's true.
DariusYou know, you need some sort of personal life outside of work.
JordanYeah.
DariusAnd it's definitely a giant red flag if your only friends are coworkers.
JordanYeah, always, every single time. Yeah. Those people usually the ones who snitch on you at work too. So, yeah. Heads up for people.
DariusI'm not one of those don't make friends at work people. We spend a lot of time there, of course, but always be cognizant of the fact that you were talking to a coworker.
JordanThey are the police.
DariusNot even that. Like they could be cool straight, but you know, you still are talking to a coworker. And so, you know, Be invited to the Christmas party. Go to the kids softball game. That's fine. But never lose sight of the fact that you're talking to a coworker.
JordanCorrect. Ever, ever.
DariusNever, ever. You can. You can be great friends with them. Never lose sight of that fact, though. What else you got for act two?
JordanYeah. So, okay. So there's that one scene where the guys are all talking at whatever bar restaurant they're at and they're talking about how. They just want a girl who's attractive because they said there are no girls with good personalities. And I love the tone deafness of that coming from 4 boring *** dudes.
DariusYou have seven different eye creams and you think you think she's not interesting. I don't even like women with seven different ice cream ice creams. So yeah. Also, you know, There are no women with good personalities, man. Some of the greatest, best personalities, best friends I have are women, man. They're women, yeah. They're funny, they're smart. I prefer the cup, I prefer talking to women way more than talking to men. Yeah, that's not even.
JordanThey have way more interest. No, yeah.
DariusWay a way wider range of interest, man. I can't tell you how many times we'll be sitting at the bar and so it'll come up and I just, I preemptively roll my eyes because they're gonna talk. Yeah, I love sports. I really, really do. But if that's all you have to talk about, that's all you have to talk about. You know, I watch. I would say I'm in the 95th percentile of how much sports I consume. And even I get tired of it being the only subject of conversation.
JordanBecause there's a, you know, just Nick's guy, great dude, but good Lord, it's like a He's like Bumblebee from Transformers, you know, where he just didn't have he can't talk. He just has like those preset references.
DariusYeah, it's his Mass Effect. If you ever played that video game, there's a character called Rex and he just says Shepherd, who's the main character's name? And no one's going to get that joke with me. So let's move on. What else you got?
JordanPlus, I also just the irony of the guy saying that because Everywhere. I mean, if you're on Twitter, you or social media, you see if you hear girls talk all the time about how boring they find men to be or the lack of interesting things men have to say about things or think about things or, you know, girls always say like they meet dudes and they don't read a lot and **** like that, you know?
DariusYeah, I mean, it just depends. I think a lot of women should keep sight of the fact that you are talking to a man like he's not going to like He's not going to be in pottery class with you, you know, like you're not, you know, we we like different things. We are different genders. And, you know, though, most men haven't read Pachinko, if that's, you know, like I read it. It's a great book. But like, I wouldn't walk up to a male friend and be like, man, you pick up Pachinko this, you know, like it's yeah, you know, you have to just like when I tell men all the time, like when they say like, I want a girl who's into sports and plays video games and likes anime. I'm like, you want to date a man. You want to date a girl. She's going to send you selfies that you're going to be like, what's this for? She's a girl. Just ******* say you look great. Oh, yeah. She's going to want to show you her nails. You're not going to give a **** but she's a girl. Just you have to be girls and guys like different things. And if you want to date the opposite sex, you're gonna have to have a little give and take there.
JordanYeah, you're gonna have to share your food occasionally at restaurants, even though you don't give a **** what she ordered.
DariusYeah, you know, you just, you know, you're gonna have to wake up on a Saturday morning when you don't feel like it hit that farmer's market. If you want, if you like women, you're gonna have to do girly **** that you don't feel like.
JordanYou're gonna have to spend 2 hours at Target on a Saturday.
DariusYeah, man.
JordanWe're gonna go to Target tomorrow. At some store on a Saturday.
DariusYou hear dudes talk, it's like, man, you sound like you want to date a man. It's like, her Instagram is all selfish. She's a ******* girl. What are you?
JordanYeah. Or they'll be like, she got feelings and ****. Yeah, it's like, you
Dariusexpect her to be **** *******?
JordanHopefully.
DariusYeah, it's fair enough. What else you got for act 2?
JordanWay upfield. Yeah, that I know everybody has different flavors and things like that whenever their routine is for like dating a girl, seducing a woman, whatever. But like throwing on some Phil Collins to have a threesome hookers is ******* diabolical. I love Phil Collins, but that's insane.
DariusI'll never forget the time. Speaking of like, you know, girls like girl stuff, I'm not going to use his name because it's a bit of I mean, he would take the joke when I leave him out of it. But me and my boy, we were out in Minnesota and we had we met these girls just, you know, chopping it up and, you know, he's like, I'm going to go to the bar. I'm going to get us some shots. And this dude came back with four shots of real whiskey. And I was like, let me put a bug in here. Limit drops, green tea, coffee bombs, espresso martinis, redheaded slug.
JordanLike, you know, you brought these golden, purple Gatorade, whatever.
DariusYou brought a hot *** rail whiskey. He was like, what is on sale? I was like, man, let me, let me, let me holla at you. We'll be right back, ladies.
JordanI'd be like, no, they ****** ** the order.
DariusThis is not what he meant to say. Take those back, pay for them because you ordered them and get them something fruity. Yeah.
JordanSomething with a garnish on it, you know.
DariusYou know, these, these, these pretty *** women who are giving us their time do not want to shoot hot. Yeah, not even ice in it. Just real whiskey in a hot *** class.
JordanThat's nuts. Or like, yeah, give them like a what's called like a buttery ******. Those are pretty good. Or a rumchata.
DariusLemon Drive ain't never been gone wrong. Yeah. Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Vodka bomb.
JordanAny sort of like bomb.
DariusAnd it's not going to be good. It's not what we drink. I get that, but it's not for us. Yes. Yeah, it's for the hoes, man. Oh, so I managed to start with the lead his name out of it, so that's good.
JordanYeah. Okay. Speaking of that, what else?
DariusI go ahead. Sorry.
JordanI ran into dirty feet guy last weekend.
DariusDirty feet. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't want to have to spend time editing this section. So let's move that conversation off camera. man. All right. Let's go to act three. We're stalling. Act 3, reality unravels. As consequences seem to close in, Bateman searches for certainty and recognition, but contradictions multiply, identities blur, and the polished world around him resists offering clear answers or meaningful accountability. Only one observation question for this section. I'm confused and I didn't want to Google it because I'd want to see if you have the answer and you know. Did he kill these people or not?
JordanOkay. I don't really know. I don't think he did.
DariusOkay.
JordanBecause the dude said he hung out with Paul Allen. So I'm going to assume he did not kill Paul Allen. In fact, he didn't kill Paul Allen. And remember, he went there and the apartment was clean and being sold. That kind of leads me to believe he didn't kill anybody. I think. Remember when he's the assistant was in his in his office and she read that she found the journal
Dariusyeah there were all drawings of the killings that he did
Jordanright yeah so yeah I think so for me I think usually most people draw or doodle and they're like fantasies and **** like that or or you you're repressing something if he had been killing these people he wouldn't have been repressed so I think that was what he was thinking about I don't think he actually did those things. Also, I just think like, if you're running around a limo, you have your driver and these women are like not returning ever.
DariusYeah.
JordanYou know.
DariusThat I just assume was a plot hole. Like why is this driver an accomplice to murder? But it would make sense if he hallucinated the whole thing. Now that you've explained it, I kind of think it's almost obvious that he, I wouldn't say almost obvious, but
JordanYeah, it was pretty ambiguous ending, but I don't think he killed anybody.
DariusYeah, I'm with you. Now that you've explained it, that makes the most sense to me, is that he hallucinated the whole thing. And you know, he might even be Paul Allen and Patrick Bateman.
JordanThat's kind of what I think,
Dariusto be honest with someone else. So I mean, yeah, I agree.
JordanBecause they kept the one guy was like, Bateman's a dork. He would never, you know, and I don't know. He just, he kept like, people kept calling him different names, but nobody ever called anybody else different names. So it was, I don't know. I think he, I think it was something similar to Fight Club, but not all the way. And this came out, this book was written before Fight Club, but I think it was something in that kind of ballpark, to be honest. I don't think he actually killed anybody.
DariusFair enough. I would tend to agree with that. was not where I was leaning, but you explained it in a way that makes sense to me. So I agree.
JordanI think, yeah, I think he is essentially capitalism slash America. And, you know, the murder shows showed what he did. You know, capitalism does harm women. It does harm homeless people. It does harm poor people. You know, it harms people who benefit from capitalism, you know, and patriarchy also. But I just I don't think like even the thing that made me think it wasn't real was when he was at the ATM machine. And it said, like, feed me the cat.
DariusYeah.
JordanYou know, that for me, it was like, that's okay, your capitalism, your America, you know, your your patriarchy, your your white male privilege, things of that nature. That's what I mean. That's that was a giveaway to me that he didn't really actually hurt anybody.
DariusI tend to agree. What else you got for that rhymed bars.
JordanLike even like the ending, I love the ending monologue where he says, I do not want better. I don't want a better world for anyone. You know, he kind of it was very like droll and very downtrodden. I thought that was a great way to end the story because he doesn't really talk a lot. A lot of his talking in the movie is just the voiceovers or the fantasy or whatever the case may be. Like there's a scene where he says, I work in murders and executions, but he really said mergers and acquisitions. That's what it was acquisitions. Yeah. You know, I think That was like the first time he was actually honest in the movie. I thought that was a pretty cool way to end it. So I wanted to ask you, so there's this thing I saw on Twitter where it's like, they're called like quote unquote unofficial trilogies, where they're movies that are not actually trilogies, they're not related to each other, but they just kind of have similar tones and themes. So I think this movie is kind of one of those situations where it's like this, I'd say this, Wolf of Wall Street and Fight Club are kind of like an unofficial trilogy where they're all about greed and excess and they're all kind of the same archetype of dude and just shows them like raveling into self-destruction because of their boredom or greed or insatiable appetite for sex, **** addiction, whatever, things like that. What do you think?
DariusI think Wolf of Wall Street is a bit of a stretch, but I definitely see Fight Club and American Psycho as like cousins. I had a question that I scrapped, which was like, what is your favorite movie or novel with an unreliable narrator and Fight Club was on there. So I guess in a way that kind of answers the question for me where it's kind of they're twins or not twins, they're cousins. So yeah, for sure.
JordanDefinitely.
DariusEspecially when you get to the ending that we now believe is similar and that he hallucinated most of this. So yeah, I think so too.
JordanYou made a great point where you said like, the 90s men who worked in offices were kind of the probably the first generation of middle class guys to have office jobs. And I think you're right, because they would have been born in 70s, probably, 60s, maybe. So the dads would have been born in the 40s, sex, you know, would have been down to kind of like, right. Or like, essentially, like Don Draper, like they could have been his sons, essentially, you know what I mean? Like he had the he was the big exec who was the outlier. And in theory, his generation of dudes would have had the kids who would have had the easy life.
DariusWe'll see. Yeah, but I don't really count. I thought about adjusting it. That's why when I brought it up, I made the caveat middle class because Don Draper and his cohorts were like filthy rich and so filthy rich man had office jobs back then. But I think and again, I could be totally wrong fact check it later, but maybe like the men of the 90s were t
